1
00:00:03.390 –> 00:00:11.980
Megan Mary: Welcome everybody today I have Susan Sage. Susan Sage is a hypnotherapist, professional, intuitive.

2
00:00:12.000 –> 00:00:18.879
Megan Mary: spiritual teacher, content creator and workshop facilitator from Christchurch, New Zealand.

3
00:00:19.090 –> 00:00:36.920
Megan Mary: She has been uploading weekly spiritual development Podcasts and meditations on her subscriber only Patreon platform. For nearly 2 years now she also actively teaches on insight timer through her meditations and courses and live videos, and she sees clients from all over the world via Zoom.

4
00:00:37.300 –> 00:00:44.560
Megan Mary: Her passion is helping other people to step out of self-doubt, get connected with their higher nature.

5
00:00:44.700 –> 00:00:54.649
Megan Mary: and follow their calling, their dharma and purpose. She also regularly teaches others how to connect with their guidance and channel.

6
00:00:55.150 –> 00:00:56.610
Megan Mary: Welcome, Susan.

7
00:00:56.960 –> 00:00:58.999
Susan Sage: Thank you. Thank you for having me.

8
00:00:59.300 –> 00:01:18.739
Megan Mary: I’m so glad you’re here today. I have really enjoyed your events on insight, timer. and I I think that a lot of a lot of your message is so important for for women, and I want all of my listeners to share in what you’ve experienced and what you have to share.

9
00:01:20.090 –> 00:01:24.370
Susan Sage: Yay. I’m I’m really happy to share and and just

10
00:01:24.720 –> 00:01:27.489
bring as much light as I can

11
00:01:27.550 –> 00:01:36.679
Susan Sage: to to any anyone out there. I mean that this is the thing, isn’t it? that’s what I’m so passionate about. There’s it’s really helping people

12
00:01:36.930 –> 00:01:54.040
Susan Sage: I like release themselves from that that veil of self doubt that we can get lost in, because there really is so much more on the other side of that. And it’s so unnecessary to keep ourselves hidden away, you know. And yeah.

13
00:01:54.130 –> 00:02:03.199
Megan Mary: and I think that is in essence enlightenment. I what is what does enlightenment mean to you?

14
00:02:04.470 –> 00:02:05.480
Susan Sage: Well.

15
00:02:06.210 –> 00:02:10.110
Susan Sage: enlightenment means to me that

16
00:02:10.699 –> 00:02:17.640
Susan Sage: that I’ve found a my true self. I I suppose, if you like like

17
00:02:21.260 –> 00:02:33.990
Susan Sage: like. I feel like in the inside of us. We have a a connection to source energy like a a higher essence, a spiritual, eternal nature.

18
00:02:34.110 –> 00:02:36.440
that is the real us.

19
00:02:36.590 –> 00:03:01.980
Susan Sage: But when we kind of came into this existence. We forgot all about that, you know. We turned up as a baby, and we forgot everything. We forgot. We forgot what we are, you know we forgot what we’ve been doing before we came in, and as as baby, and we just got programmed by, you know what our parents were saying and what the world was up to at that point. And

20
00:03:02.180 –> 00:03:24.710
Susan Sage: and as I, as that programming took effect that created the psychological structure called the Ego, which is just all these stories that we sort of telling ourselves were real and true about our lives and about what we like, what we don’t like what we believe, what we don’t believe in. You know all this stuff which makes up the structure. And we started to believe that that structure and the body as what we are.

21
00:03:24.930 –> 00:03:43.229
Susan Sage: And that’s the confusion, the the identity confusion happening on the planet at the moment when we believe that we’re the ego and the personality structure. We start behaving really, insanely, greedily, insecurely, you know, attaching ourselves to things because

22
00:03:43.260 –> 00:03:46.539
we feel so insecure thinking. We are this

23
00:03:46.610 –> 00:03:48.400
Susan Sage: this temporary thing.

24
00:03:48.800 –> 00:04:03.830
Susan Sage: but that’s not the truth of it. You know. The truth of it. Is that what we are was here before that baby That was You know, it was here before this psychological structure was formed before this body came here.

25
00:04:03.930 –> 00:04:14.099
Susan Sage: You know we we are. We are this eternal essence that goes through many lifetimes and can’t actually be damaged or hurt by anything that happens here.

26
00:04:14.110 –> 00:04:18.660
And so I feel like enlightenment is when you really know that you know you.

27
00:04:18.670 –> 00:04:29.610
Susan Sage: you click into that awareness of what you really are, you find your eternal connection. Whilst still in this body, while still in all of the illusion like masquerading as real.

28
00:04:29.690 –> 00:04:43.950
You find that source of truth within you, and you just can’t be fooled anymore, or tempted into suffering any more by what happens in the outside world, because you just know so strongly

29
00:04:44.240 –> 00:04:50.750
Susan Sage: what you are. That is yeah, above and beyond that, if you know what I mean. And that’s my description of it.

30
00:04:51.450 –> 00:04:56.250
Megan Mary: I find that so comforting. Really, it’s it’s

31
00:04:56.450 –> 00:05:09.569
Megan Mary: it’s so comforting to know that you don’t need to worry about what in our previous conversation. You would call the portal that the body that we’re in right now that we become attached to the ego, the things that we think matter

32
00:05:09.770 –> 00:05:18.159
that we can let them go, that that’s not how we’re going to find our purpose. It’s not how we’re going to achieve what we’re here to do, and

33
00:05:18.190 –> 00:05:19.480
Megan Mary: that

34
00:05:19.720 –> 00:05:27.389
Megan Mary: permission to let that go is terrifying, but also kind of a relief.

35
00:05:27.430 –> 00:05:28.690
Susan Sage: Yeah.
Megan Mary: I don’t have to worry about this anymore.

36
00:05:29.610 –> 00:06:02.549
Susan Sage: sorry, terrifying, because that whole psychological structure is built up with the purpose of survival. You know it’s that primal survival brain. So when you want to release yourself doubt and and release you know your your suffering because it’s what is become normal and comfortable, not really comfortable, but kind of because it’s familiar, right? It? It seems terrifying to let go of what we thought was keeping us safe.

37
00:06:02.580 –> 00:06:20.320
Susan Sage: you know, like we we wanna block say, for example, we’re gonna close our heart, for example, so that we don’t get hurt as a survival thing, but it’s it’s stupid. It’s not even wise, because closing your heart is is stifling. Your own life force. You know. It’s cutting off your connection

38
00:06:20.320 –> 00:06:37.690
Susan Sage: to the larger picture, to the divine. So it doesn’t make sense when you start to awaken and and realize your true nature. But in the whole psychological structure. It makes total sense. But yeah, I hear, what you’re saying. So when you go to make that shift, it feels terrifying, because to a part of us.

39
00:06:37.690 –> 00:06:48.149
Susan Sage: It feels like we’re letting go of this mechanism which was keeping us safe, which wasn’t actually. But that was the the way that our mind was telling us that you know what was happening.

40
00:06:48.500 –> 00:07:16.479
Megan Mary: Yes, yes, and I and I do want to talk a little bit later about how you have to do that to have the abundance mindset, because I think that that is I I love that that part of your work. But before we get there, let’s talk a little bit, so our listeners can hear about your enlightenment journey and what led you here, and what led you to realize all this so that you could share this with everyone.

41
00:07:17.780 –> 00:07:25.100
Susan Sage: well. I mean, I had an awakening experience when I was 19, so I was

42
00:07:25.210 –> 00:07:40.219
Susan Sage: just in the middle of teenage fun times drinking, partying, smoking, you know, and I was kind of curious about spirituality. So I started reading this book when I had a lot of spare time a spiritual astrology type book.

43
00:07:40.440 –> 00:07:48.830
Susan Sage: I mean, I didn’t know. I mean, I was curious about astrology. Let’s put it that way. I I did not know anything about spirituality.

44
00:07:48.900 –> 00:07:51.030
Susan Sage: nothing. I had no.

45
00:07:51.310 –> 00:07:58.450
Susan Sage: no expectation. I had no religious upbringing completely atheist parents, and pretty much just been.

46
00:07:58.730 –> 00:08:16.849
Susan Sage: I was totally just a material person and blinded like looking through tunnel vision type thing. So I started reading this book and practicing meditation. And I had this awakening experience, and one of those first meditations which was just kind of like the veils got lifted away from

47
00:08:17.660 –> 00:08:30.149
Susan Sage: my awareness, and I suddenly felt like I was enveloped in cosmic love if you like, like. It’s so impossible to describe. But it was. It was so beautiful that

48
00:08:30.250 –> 00:08:35.460
Susan Sage: I I just was absolutely blown away, and I felt like

49
00:08:35.490 –> 00:08:55.669
Susan Sage: I’d found the thing that I’d always been looking for, but didn’t even know I was looking for it. Didn’t even know I’d lost it, you know, like I was trying to find it in relationships. I was trying to find it and getting stoned. I was trying to find it and all these different things, but it wasn’t in any of them. It was in this feeling of remembering. And so

50
00:08:56.010 –> 00:09:10.980
Susan Sage: with that, remembering in this re-connection with my spirituality, whatever it was, because I didn’t even know what it was. But I know it felt really good. I just knew that spirituality had to be a part of my life, and I started getting into it, and I had to go through a bit of a dark night of the soul

51
00:09:11.090 –> 00:09:32.489
Susan Sage: too, because I uprooted all of my old belief system, as I said, to realize that I was eternal when this was, and all this bigger picture stuff, this tunnel vision I was looking through got blown open so quick that there was kind of an integration process. It took about a year, and it was. It was hard. I went through a lot of anxiety and depression, but after that I I

52
00:09:32.580 –> 00:09:39.890
Susan Sage: entered this beautiful like Garden of Eden phase of my life, where I was in blessed like, no matter what

53
00:09:40.280 –> 00:10:04.510
Susan Sage: was happening, even if I was going through challenges, I had this backdrop of everything’s okay, because I know what I am like, I know I’m never going to die. I know that I know I’m connected to this beautiful universe, this loving in energy, like, what can really be that bad, you know, when you know that. And I was really in there, I was kind of in the honeymoon phase of that

54
00:10:04.680 –> 00:10:12.460
Susan Sage: awakening of that reconnection with my spirit. And and yeah, and then I’ve gone on to have 4 kids and

55
00:10:12.780 –> 00:10:16.089
Susan Sage: travel, you know, around the world about it, and all that stuff. But

56
00:10:16.350 –> 00:10:36.809
Susan Sage: I’ve always had this really deep feeling of calling and purpose that has got to do with spiritual teaching and that kind of thing. So I started to teach through becoming a hypnotherapist. And I did a bit of hypnobirthing, helping women to have come and and natural births using relaxation techniques and stuff.

57
00:10:36.910 –> 00:11:06.330
Susan Sage: And then I started teaching people how to channel because it was something I’d learned how to do and so on and so on. I’ve been kind of running workshops and working with people for quite a long time, but a few years ago I started reading a course and miracles, which was just another huge kind of a wake. Enough for me. It’s already thought that I was like, and that I knew what was happening and everything with that. It was just such a another level of undoing of the ego

58
00:11:06.350 –> 00:11:16.509
Susan Sage: And this psychological structure that holds us in this false idea of separation, you know, and I. And so I’m still, you know, reading that and studying that. And

59
00:11:16.560 –> 00:11:17.690
and it’s

60
00:11:17.730 –> 00:11:25.359
Susan Sage: that it’s probably one of the main inspirations that I’ve got. You know that I kinda draw from, I suppose?

61
00:11:26.060 –> 00:11:28.270
Susan Sage: Yeah, if that answers your question.

62
00:11:28.680 –> 00:11:37.009
Megan Mary: Oh, absolutely. That’s a that’s a beautiful story, too. I I I don’t tire of of hearing it. I think that

63
00:11:37.530 –> 00:11:40.030
Megan Mary: you’re so lucky to have

64
00:11:40.630 –> 00:12:02.059
Megan Mary: awakened so young, it seems, and I you know everyone’s on a a different journey. But I I like to hear that you when you how you said, when you think you have it all figured out. And then there’s a whole another layer. you know. So that’s that’s really inspiring. And I also really like hearing just about

65
00:12:02.790 –> 00:12:12.059
Megan Mary: your experience, and that it’s very. It’s very personal. But I feel like it’s also universal in a way that

66
00:12:12.420 –> 00:12:35.619
Megan Mary: because I had a similar experience, and I feel like that, that, knowing that I like how you call it remembering, because I really don’t feel like it was finding or discovering. I really feel like it was remembering, and it felt like a returning to something I knew maybe when I was younger

67
00:12:35.720 –> 00:12:48.409
Megan Mary: before I was told. Let that go, or here’s what you were expected to do. And here’s what you’re supposed to do, and this is the straight and arrow, and leave that behind. And I think that that’s

68
00:12:48.430 –> 00:13:00.919
Megan Mary: that’s part of the remembering process. I also feel like there’s a for lack of a better word, death that happens when you talk about it as your dark night, when when you realize that

69
00:13:01.040 –> 00:13:24.500
Megan Mary: you can never on. You can’t go back once you have that kind of experience, and you there’s a little bit of a a sadness, because you realize you have to let a lot of things go that can’t go with you on that journey, and you have. And you wonder what what can go with you, and it’s a it’s a real shift, and it’s a real

70
00:13:24.510 –> 00:13:30.349
Megan Mary: transition that you go through when you, when you have that awakening and

71
00:13:30.610 –> 00:13:41.790
Megan Mary: fully embracing it and figuring out, Okay, how do I? How do I deal with now? Now that I’ve changed and I view everything differently, and everything is

72
00:13:42.640 –> 00:13:45.769
Megan Mary: is different. So I think that that’s part of

73
00:13:46.440 –> 00:13:58.930
Megan Mary: everyone’s spiritual journey. And I think, those those keys to how do we How do we make that transition. And what do we use to allow us to embrace that

74
00:13:59.730 –> 00:14:04.670
Megan Mary: purpose that we’ve discovered, and that connection that we’ve remembered?

75
00:14:05.260 –> 00:14:07.200
Susan Sage: Hmm, well, I think

76
00:14:07.560 –> 00:14:23.220
Susan Sage: you know when I, celebrating a course in miracles. I went through another bit of a dark night, too, because it was it was really brutal, and and telling you the absolute truth about your ego. You know your I was not your friend that even says your ego wants you dead, and

77
00:14:23.320 –> 00:14:24.900
wow!

78
00:14:25.060 –> 00:14:43.509
Susan Sage: And and so you all your way you go fantasies you, you start to kind of see through them a little bit, and that can bring you that feeling of loss like you’re talking about like, well, I can’t really take that with. Well, that’s just kind of a load of crap, really, isn’t that you can kind of see that you’re holding on to something that

79
00:14:43.810 –> 00:14:47.279
that wasn’t really kind of real if you like

80
00:14:47.850 –> 00:14:57.640
Susan Sage: and and that there’s a bit of grief. I guess that kind of comes with that as you let go of these old stories and these old expectations, and I think it’s

81
00:14:57.760 –> 00:15:16.129
Susan Sage: the way you know, we we kind of without even thinking about it. It’s a natural thing we do is we kind of project an idea of our future always. So we kind of have this story of. Well, I’m I’m going to do this with my life. I’m going to do that. It’s probably going to look like this, it’s going to be with this person, and we’re going to live here. I’m going to do that. And when that story gets disrupted

82
00:15:16.580 –> 00:15:33.409
Susan Sage: that that what we’re really grieving is that story. You know, it’s not really anything else. It’s kind of this idea that we had of ourselves that we’re grieving. But the good news about that is that when we move into a new level of light, when we, when we decide to release

83
00:15:33.440 –> 00:15:39.810
Susan Sage: the ego ways, you know those more that the darker kind of self-serving

84
00:15:40.130 –> 00:15:54.160
Susan Sage: ways that never really made us feel that great. If we’re honest, if we if we decide to release them because we want to feel more love, we want to feel more joy. We want to feel more light

85
00:15:54.200 –> 00:16:17.390
Susan Sage: what we, the outcome of that is all ways better. This is the thing is that we’re not actually sacrificing anything, but our mind is telling us that we are. You know, our minds going on. You’re not going to be able to hang around with that person anymore. You’re not going to be able to go to those parties and get drunk anymore. You’re not going to be able to sit there on the couch and binge watch Netflix all day anymore. You know.

86
00:16:17.640 –> 00:16:33.610
Susan Sage: We feel like we’re losing all of these really important things. But ultimately, what you’re gaining on the other side of that is. it’s way better, because it never really felt that good to go to those parties, and never really felt that great to lie there and watch Netflix all day, you know. Like it.

87
00:16:34.190 –> 00:16:56.119
Susan Sage: It’s it’s the mind isn’t even really telling us the truth, not really losing anything, you know. An example of that. It’s like the ego will tempt you into eating things that you think that you, you know you really want like, let’s say, like this. Amazing a chocolate cake, you know, the ego is like, Oh, look at that chocolate cake. Oh, my God! It’s got everything I want on it. You know the cream, icing.

88
00:16:56.120 –> 00:17:07.400
Raspberries or the sauce. So you know whatever. And your ego is just tempting you to eat it. And you and you think you’re gonna get something from that right? You like. Yes, I need this cake.

89
00:17:07.650 –> 00:17:16.809
Susan Sage: you probably, you know, feel sick after eating it. And what did it really give you, you know, maybe a very small hit of

90
00:17:16.880 –> 00:17:17.950
pleasure

91
00:17:18.420 –> 00:17:32.759
Susan Sage: quickly to be replaced with guilt, you know, with with now having to atone for how gross you now feel. And so this is what the ego will do is that it will tell you it wants things, you want things.

92
00:17:32.880 –> 00:17:59.480
Susan Sage: but they always leave this yucky taste in your mouth, whereas your higher self would say, Let’s make the most amazing, raw smoothie. A, you know. For example, let’s like, put all of these beautiful ingredients out of the garden like real fresh nutrients. Just everything that’s going to make our body just hum and sing and be so alive and vibrant. And when you drink that smoothie.

93
00:17:59.480 –> 00:18:23.570
Susan Sage: It’s gonna make you feel so good. It’s gonna make you a vessel to hold more light, more love. You can have energy. You’re gonna have vitality. You’re gonna boost your immunity. You know all those things that’s actually given you what you want, whereas the the ego never really gives you that. But we get trapped into thinking that it is, you know. So it’s it’s kind of a confusing thing to work our way out of

94
00:18:23.650 –> 00:18:32.940
Susan Sage: But I just want to mention that how it is not a sacrifice, really. And you were kind of asking, what like? How can we

95
00:18:33.580 –> 00:18:47.350
Megan Mary: come back to that Remembering. Is that what you? How do we? How do we tap into that aligned space and and stay in that energy, and not, you know, overcome the

96
00:18:48.180 –> 00:19:08.510
Megan Mary: the karma and move to the dharma for for anyone that’s listening that feels like they have. They’re close, you know. They they know that there’s something greater. They know that they’re here to help. They know that they have a gift. They know that they’re being led, but they’re struggling with that

97
00:19:08.520 –> 00:19:34.259
Megan Mary: that ego, and you know many times in, in my work, people that shows up in your dreams. I mean that that your concerns, your your deepest conflicts, whatever you know you should be doing, and then what your the difference of what you are doing will will play out into a little story, and and and try to tell you either

98
00:19:34.470 –> 00:19:40.260
Megan Mary: just that bring the awareness of that conflict, this going on, or also also to present

99
00:19:40.380 –> 00:19:41.670
Megan Mary: a solution.

100
00:19:41.940 –> 00:19:44.000
Megan Mary: And so what’s

101
00:19:44.210 –> 00:19:46.539
Megan Mary: what are some ways that

102
00:19:47.160 –> 00:19:54.270
Megan Mary: other women who feel that they they want to embark on this path that they can get out of their own way.

103
00:19:55.900 –> 00:20:06.580
Susan Sage: Well, I mean, ultimately, we’ve got to find that sense of source within us. Ultimately, I feel because it’s like, if you think of a record player.

104
00:20:06.660 –> 00:20:24.730
Susan Sage: you know, the record is on the record player, and it’s spinning around and around and around and around, and but in the middle of that recall player there’s that wee bit that pokes up that you put the record over top. I don’t know what it’s called, but that wee bit in the middle that doesn’t spin right. But the record is spinning around and around and around and around that we’ve got a we’ve got to come back

105
00:20:24.730 –> 00:20:40.779
Susan Sage: to the middle and actually just be able to observe the stuff that’s going on in our lives, and our feelings and our thoughts and all our reactions, and the traumas coming up, and all of that stuff that’s always changing, always moving. We need to find a way to get into that stillness where we can

106
00:20:41.090 –> 00:20:55.349
Susan Sage: observe that we need to find a poise outside of all of that, where we’re not identifying with it and making it that you know who we are, because that’s because if we think that what we are is all of that

107
00:20:55.460 –> 00:21:03.180
Susan Sage: craziness. It’s going to be really hard to let it go, you know, because you feel like you’re letting yourself go. You know you. You can’t see.

108
00:21:03.660 –> 00:21:17.860
Susan Sage: You don’t have the objective perspective, but it’s it’s having a practice. And you know I would say meditation. Of course some kind of meditation, it doesn’t have to be those really difficult meditations. We sit there and you watch your thoughts, and you have to

109
00:21:17.910 –> 00:21:39.130
Susan Sage: calm your mind and not think, you know, because they they’re great, of course, but I think people get put off meditation by thinking that’s what meditation is, and I can’t do that, you know I can’t sit there and not think. But there’s lots of guided meditations, lots of different different little you know, things and exercises you can do to to just

110
00:21:39.380 –> 00:21:50.400
Susan Sage: come within yourself and find this source of love within you, this, this eternal nature, and we start to find it

111
00:21:50.410 –> 00:21:54.820
Susan Sage: by letting go of the the bullshit, you know the

112
00:21:55.200 –> 00:22:10.529
Susan Sage: we just start with. What if it’s coming up in your life, you know. Let’s say you’re feeling really jealous of your partner, because of whatever reason this is causing you a lot of pain, you know a lot of suffering. So that would be a good place to start that you’re sitting in the middle of the record player watching yourself

113
00:22:10.730 –> 00:22:28.719
Susan Sage: be reactive, watching how it comes up for you, watching all of the the ways your mind, thinks to feelings in your body, you know, being willing to let that move and find a higher perspective. And there’s lots of exercises you can do to just basically just feel those feelings and let them pass.

114
00:22:28.790 –> 00:22:34.020
Susan Sage: And when you just let them move you, you find that they get replaced with

115
00:22:34.140 –> 00:22:49.560
Susan Sage: a higher perspective, even an epiphany sometimes that makes you think, wow! Like I I can’t believe I thought of it that way, you know, and you have this big shift in your internal world, and when that happens you start to embody more light.

116
00:22:49.760 –> 00:22:51.720
Susan Sage: and it’s

117
00:22:52.250 –> 00:23:05.120
Susan Sage: it’s always good to go with just letting go of what’s coming up in the moment, because that’s what we can see. That’s what we’re experiencing quite often like we don’t have a reference point for what it’s going to feel like when we’ve

118
00:23:05.210 –> 00:23:32.390
Susan Sage: become more connected with love, because not there yet I we don’t know how Jesus felt at the at the end of his life, or how Buddha felt when he became enlightened? You know we have no frickin clue, but all we can do is just let go of what we do know what is happening, what we know is not working, and that kind of creates a vacuum for the higher dimensions to of rush in, and take the place of whatever we’ve let go of. So we start to gradually and incrementally

119
00:23:32.560 –> 00:23:43.559
Susan Sage: to build up this level of love, this level of light, and we start to feel better and better and better and more resiliant and more buoyant and more connected and more peaceful.

120
00:23:43.680 –> 00:23:47.980
Susan Sage: just naturally. if you know what I mean,

121
00:23:47.990 –> 00:23:50.539
Susan Sage: I think you yeah. Sorry you go.

122
00:23:50.700 –> 00:23:51.750
Megan Mary: No, that’s

123
00:23:52.300 –> 00:24:06.809
Megan Mary: on your website, you say, walking the path of a of light worker means operating by a new set of laws, and then based in, based in trust, wholeness, faith, flow, and divine inspiration, and moving away from the old fear.

124
00:24:07.390 –> 00:24:21.779
Megan Mary: the old way of fear and control and needing to have security. And I think that I really like what you talk about in terms of the 4D abundance, and how

125
00:24:21.810 –> 00:24:25.240
Megan Mary: people that are doing this kind of work

126
00:24:25.250 –> 00:24:45.829
Megan Mary: need to let go of that desire and fear about security in order to bring the provisions that are meant for them to do that work. And I I think that is really important, because

127
00:24:46.040 –> 00:24:59.249
Megan Mary: everybody has some of this to share. But they’re all standing behind the gate afraid to open it and step through because they’re worried, they won’t be provided for when they do it.

128
00:24:59.460 –> 00:25:18.379
Susan Sage: Yeah, well, I mean, here’s the thing. This is the identity confusion again. Right? You know. As I said, we came here as a baby. We took on all this stuff that we thought was real, and then we think we are that we think we are the person who likes Rugby, or football or cricket. We we don’t like swimming, and ice hockey

129
00:25:18.380 –> 00:25:36.420
Susan Sage: I, you know, you know we we really identify with this character that that we are. But but, as you, you know, I alluded to before, and what I often talk about is that that portal is that that person is just a portal, you know quite a lot of times. I write about that, that. We’re not

130
00:25:36.500 –> 00:25:37.620
Susan Sage: people

131
00:25:37.720 –> 00:25:45.999
Susan Sage: that we’re actually portals. And if we can make that distinction that what I am is not this defined like

132
00:25:46.100 –> 00:26:00.459
Susan Sage: structure of an ego and a body. And this avatar thing. That’s what I’m experiencing. If you can find the difference between that, it’s not what I am, it’s an experience I’m having. And actually, this

133
00:26:00.500 –> 00:26:09.059
Susan Sage: person, this is actually an opportunity. It’s a portal. It’s a gateway that the divine is using. So if I’m

134
00:26:09.060 –> 00:26:34.060
Susan Sage: if I’m all identified with the with the person, and I I think that’s what I am. I’m closing off that portal because I’m saying, oh, look at me! Look at me! Look at the person. Look at the person, look oat all the stories that I’ve got about me, and about this and about that, and you know oh, I couldn’t possibly put myself out there and do this and do that because I believe this. And I believe that. And I’ve got this past about that. Who am I to do that? And all of that? Because it’s all the

135
00:26:34.060 –> 00:26:41.750
personal crap, right? But we’re not that. We’ve got to find

136
00:26:42.120 –> 00:26:58.240
Susan Sage: our source, our identity and something larger, which I like to say is just this essence of loving energy, and if we can just relax the portal, that the person to become a portal to allow that larger us through, the real us.

137
00:26:58.500 –> 00:27:06.929
Susan Sage: Then then we really start stepping into what it is that we came here to do, and we’ll do it fearlessly and courageously, because

138
00:27:07.160 –> 00:27:22.259
Susan Sage: because what we’re really doing is we’re leading love in like, how can that be? How can we really be afraid of that like. It’s not the person that’s going to take all the credit or all the the failure, you know. It’s not even the person doing it. It’s

139
00:27:22.370 –> 00:27:30.740
it’s a relaxing the person so that this love can come through the person. This is more like a universal being that’s coming through

140
00:27:30.980 –> 00:27:44.450
Susan Sage: because we are connected to the whole universe. You know we’re not just this little spot, this little cell, this little tiny little thing that’s not. We’re not limited to that, you know. So when we open up our heart and we start to

141
00:27:44.490 –> 00:27:53.970
know ourselves as something larger, we make space for this larger energy to come and animate us. And and I think that’s the key in releasing self-doubt is that

142
00:27:54.050 –> 00:28:05.420
Susan Sage: it’s not me that’s doing it. So I’m just gonna step aside and let this other thing do it, and I can just, you know, be the messenger for that, rather than being the one that takes all the credit or

143
00:28:05.610 –> 00:28:07.470
Susan Sage: did something wrong. You know what I mean?

144
00:28:07.520 –> 00:28:20.669
Megan Mary: Absolutely. I I love the the saying that we’re not humans having a spiritual experience. We’re spirits having a human experience. And that’s exactly what you’re saying.

145
00:28:20.680 –> 00:28:28.340
Susan Sage: Yeah, and it’s getting there. And that in the right order that makes all the difference like to untangle the

146
00:28:28.660 –> 00:28:41.840
Susan Sage: the illusions in your mind and finding your clarity. And you so what are the common misconceptions that people have about what your work, about what you do?

147
00:28:42.030 –> 00:28:47.410
Susan Sage: Misconceptions. I don’t know, maybe, that it’s a bit out there.

148
00:28:51.020 –> 00:29:00.889
Susan Sage: I don’t know. I think that if people are either ready for it, and they resonate with it, you know, or they just they won’t hear it. They just it won’t even

149
00:29:01.340 –> 00:29:14.629
Susan Sage: it. It might annoy them. I don’t know it might, but generally. I think they just don’t understand it, and therefore won’t even bother entertaining it. But this those particular people that it just really really sits with.

150
00:29:14.740 –> 00:29:20.180
And it was really what they needed, you know, and then they just soak it up and just

151
00:29:20.310 –> 00:29:28.880
Susan Sage: go with that and have really amazing transformation through it. And and it’s those kinds of people that I’m only interested in finding. Anyway, you know.

152
00:29:28.910 –> 00:29:33.850
Megan Mary: absolutely. I know there’s lots of them out there. I know there’s lots of people too that aren’t

153
00:29:33.890 –> 00:29:43.830
Susan Sage: on my vibe, and that’s that’s absolutely fine. Because even if I only really connect with I don’t know 100 people this lifetime, that’s still a hundred people

154
00:29:44.000 –> 00:29:59.659
Megan Mary: agreed. Yes, any, any, any change no matter of small is still change. And any anyone that can that even listens to this that it makes a difference. It same thing. It’s that’s why we’re here, right?

155
00:29:59.710 –> 00:30:08.860
Susan Sage: So what are 3 takeaways that you would like the listeners to take take away from this talk. okay.

156
00:30:14.110 –> 00:30:23.189
Susan Sage: well, most important thing to do with your life. If you’re if you’re interested in having fulfillment and releasing suffering

157
00:30:23.310 –> 00:30:36.029
Susan Sage: is to really have a a meaningful spiritual practice where you’re finding your connection to who you really are. That’s if you only did that, then

158
00:30:36.970 –> 00:30:41.860
Susan Sage: that would be fine you would, you would make your way through it if that was your priority.

159
00:30:42.640 –> 00:30:49.850
Susan Sage: So that would be the first thing. Find the a meaningful connection with who you really are.

160
00:30:50.250 –> 00:30:53.960
Susan Sage: The second thing would be value.

161
00:30:54.030 –> 00:31:18.949
Susan Sage: What? Value the inspiration is that’s coming from that meaningful connection, like the guidance, the the ideas and things that start to flow to you as you’re connected. Value that over top of what the ego is trying to tempt you into doing. Because the egos can attempt you into doing all these things. The course in miracles puts it seek, but never find.

162
00:31:19.010 –> 00:31:27.869
Susan Sage: you know, that’s the ego’s world. But when we start to meaningfully start to connect with what we really are, we start to shift our vibration

163
00:31:27.910 –> 00:31:29.309
in a way that

164
00:31:29.520 –> 00:31:35.529
Susan Sage: stuff just finds us, you know we don’t go on the egos

165
00:31:36.630 –> 00:32:01.540
Susan Sage: crazy endeavors, you know, have this amazing thing, happen, and make this, you know, like finding all this stuff outside of us, which only kind of satisfies us for a very short period of time. And then that’s replaced with the next goal post. You know it’s on and on and on, and that will never end. But when you start to come in and find what you really are, you start to find you really start to find, and you start to feel better

166
00:32:01.540 –> 00:32:12.220
and better and better and better. And the third thing I would suggest and I haven’t actually talked about this yet is practice gratitude. Because, honestly, I know that’s been talked about

167
00:32:12.410 –> 00:32:18.860
Susan Sage: millions of times by millions of people so much that it’s probably like, Oh, yeah, whatever gratitude? But

168
00:32:19.030 –> 00:32:45.379
Susan Sage: I I honestly can say that gratitude has changed my life, and and if you can like, I have this great meditation in one of my courses on Insighttimer, that we just sit there for about 20 min and go through all these ways of thinking about what you’re grateful for and what you care about, and things that have happened in the past, that you really made you feel really good. You just basically marinate in this feeling of gratitude for this whole 20 min.

169
00:32:45.490 –> 00:33:01.299
and by the end of it that it’s just you just feel so amazing. And and honestly, it’s just all these miracles start happening as you raise your vibration like that. It’s just crazy. You can practice that kind of thing like right in the moment, just sitting there.

170
00:33:01.330 –> 00:33:08.660
going through, looking in whatever space you are right now, and having gratitude for very little things around you.

171
00:33:08.810 –> 00:33:22.810
Susan Sage: you start to. You start to bring on this altered state of absolute bless. Absolutely amazing! What gratitude does for every level of our being, you know, including our

172
00:33:23.040 –> 00:33:25.470
Susan Sage: physical body. So it’s

173
00:33:26.370 –> 00:33:27.699
Megan Mary: that’s awesome

174
00:33:27.720 –> 00:33:29.310
Susan Sage: yes.

175
00:33:29.370 –> 00:33:31.849
Megan Mary: that’s sage advice.

176
00:33:32.090 –> 00:33:45.509
Susan Sage: It’s just it’s just amazing. how can people find you online if they want to hear some of your meditations you’ve been talking about and and work with you and

177
00:33:45.860 –> 00:33:48.090
Megan Mary: experience your gifts?

178
00:33:48.820 –> 00:33:50.570
Susan Sage: so

179
00:33:50.610 –> 00:34:12.189
Susan Sage: you can find me on Facebook. Just Susan Sage, you can find me on insighttimer again. It’s just Susan Sage is my profile. mM website is lovebeingyou.co.nz. But I think we’re gonna change that pretty soon, but it’ll probably redirect you, anyway. So those are 3 places where you can find me.

180
00:34:12.520 –> 00:34:18.439
Susan Sage: and I’m on Patreon as well, which is just patreon.com/susansage.

181
00:34:19.000 –> 00:34:32.220
Susan Sage: so basically Google says, inside you can hopefully if that’s all working right on you all come up and lots of different places.

Megan Mary: Alright, and I will put the links in the show notes as well, so everyone can find you.

182
00:34:32.290 –> 00:34:33.980
Susan Sage: How wonderful! Thank you.

183
00:34:34.060 –> 00:34:53.089
Megan Mary: Well, I am very grateful for you, Susan. I’m so glad that you are here today. It was great to talk to you about all, all of your journey, and just everything that you share with our listeners. I know it will be beneficial, so thank you very much for being here.

Susan Sage:Thank you so much for having me.

184
00:34:53.780 –> 00:34:54.870
Megan Mary: Thank you.