[00:00:00] You are listening to Women’s Dream Enlightenment. Dream decoding deep discussions and stories of spiritual awakening to inspire your personal enlightened journey. I’m your host, Megan Mary, international bestselling metaphysical author. And founder of Inner Realms Publishing. Let’s bring in the light.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Welcome. Today we have Dr. Nicole Dolan. She is a depth psychologist, mother of neurodivergent, children and author of The Art of Chaos, a memoir on motherhood, trauma and spiritual awakening with decades of experience in psychology and a lived journey through sacred parenting, Nicole Blends clinical wisdom with soul-centered insight. [00:01:00] She is the founder of the Sacred Path Holistic Therapy, where she leads a collective of 30 plus clinicians offering trauma-informed neurodiversity affirming care through writing, speaking, and coaching. She helps mothers reclaim peace, power, and presence in the beautiful chaos of raising sensitive, complex children. Welcome Nicole.

Nicole Dolan: Thank you so much. It’s so nice to be here with you today.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yes.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: the way I start out all of the podcasts is with the question, what does enlightenment mean to you?

Nicole Dolan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So enlightenment. I kind of just wanna be with that for a moment because I feel like the first thing that comes through is I see soul coming into body and capacity. [00:02:00] For Soul in Body. And so since I see that visual so strongly, I just wanna kind of pause and share there. So I think there’s a lot of different ways I might even try to explain enlightenment, but since that came through, what I would share is I really believe that on this human journey.

What we are doing in, in many ways is expanding our capacity, our threshold for holding and moving through with presence difficult moments, but also capacity for joy, abundance play. And so that’s what really comes through when you ask that question, is just this beautiful image of how much of my soul and spirit.

How much energy can I hold within my physical being? What do I have the capacity for? And for me, that has certainly been along the path [00:03:00] of enlightenment.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Hmm. Yes. Embodying

Nicole Dolan: Mm-hmm.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: in the physical world and combining the two trajectories

Nicole Dolan: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: understand where they converge and why.

Nicole Dolan: Mm-hmm.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: So tell us a little bit about how you came to work in psychology and sacred parenting and what your path of spiritual awakening was like as everyone’s is different.

Nicole Dolan: Sure. So I was very much growing up. The typical I, I think the way that a lot of therapists, healers, advocates, a lot of the ways that we often describe ourselves is, you know, somebody that people leaned on, somebody that people could trust, somebody that, that people came to with [00:04:00] story pain and for a long period of time I think I felt and knew, and certainly heard from others that, you know, I ought to be a therapist or a counselor or but I was very rebellious.

When I was younger and it didn’t ever in those days sit with me that I could actually honestly go through the academic rigor of becoming a therapist. So by the time that clicked for me and I decided to take that path, it was, I would say a sense of knowing all along, but maybe. More an opening through different synchronicities along the way that led me towards, okay, I’m now going to pursue this path and my path towards healing.

And, and where that really opened up for me, I would say I started in a place where many of us do, where a lot of [00:05:00] that energy that I was pouring outwards, a lot of the healing work that I was doing maybe in ways wasn’t necessarily. Healing. And when I became a therapist, I recognized that. And so I began doing deeper work, not only with others, but, but with myself.

So really my journey became embodiment. And opening to my own, my own pain and also really trusting that what my clients were bringing to me was there to teach me. So it was very much a journey that opened up from, from that place, you know, a place where I realized that pain that I. Wasn’t turning toward and hadn’t healed in myself, was starting to show up in my treatment room, was starting to look me in the face consistently.

Got louder and louder until I, you know, was paying more attention. And then I very much went on my own underworld journey with trauma, [00:06:00] healing trauma, PTSD while I was doing this work with clients. And there’s so many different stories I could tell along the way as far as that awakening. And I kind of wanna come back to your question then.

So just to kind of, to, to land there as far as like, how did I get into healing? I do feel like it was always an innate. Calling, but something I had to open myself to and, and something, you know, like the hero’s journey where we get that, that knock, the hero gets the call multiple times before they wake up and actually answer the door.

I certainly was along for that experience before I, I turned toward that calling and sacred parenting work came later, probably in a similar way. Not in that it had to come knock at my door until I answered, but just that I wasn’t necessarily. Expecting it. I wound up having my, my first child is on the autism spectrum.

Very high functioning, even though we don’t use that [00:07:00] term today. We haven’t come up with a better one yet. So but she’s, she’s brilliant and she’s, you know, highly verbal and, but challenges with emotional regulation, she’s sensitive to all kinds of things, has sensory challenges, et cetera.

So because of the things that I was initiated with as mother, it was the beginning of a, of a long journey of turning toward what eventually taught me was that,, just like. In the first journey, if you will, in the origin story where I was learning to be a therapist from what my clients were teaching me.

I was now learning to be a mother from what my children were teaching me.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Right. I find that very interesting. It’s kind of like everyone that crossed your path crosses it for a reason, and this case, I particularly like the concept of that [00:08:00] every issue really that your clients brought to was actually. Not intertwined with you. Right.

Nicole Dolan: Mm-hmm.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: there was a reason it, in working through it with them, you’re actually working through it yourself. And similarly these situations we find ourselves in that we don’t, that seem random or seem unplanned, are actually part of that grand orchestration that. Leads us to the work we’re supposed to do. And in your case, the motherhood was what led you there, so.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah, absolutely. It’s, it’s, you know, some people chase happiness and joy and while we all want those things, I’m definitely somebody who chases meaning, who really follows meaning and finds that life is at its fullest when it is lived with meaning.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: I 100% agree on that. That is

Nicole Dolan: [00:09:00] Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: used as my mantra. Really meaningful change. And really what gives me fulfillment too, is that there is a greater purpose that I’m working towards and that there’s. that I’m giving back also, which is part of the reason that I created this platform for other women, that is in part how I was raised, but also just that innate desire to be contributing to that wholeness of. Where everyone is connected in a way that our experiences are clearly different. But I think from a spirit human point of view, we’re actually quite similar in all of the. You know, the roadblocks that we encounter and the struggle that we [00:10:00] are having in terms of why are we here what is the reason for this life and this existence, and all are seeking those same answers as even as different as we are.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah. Yeah. And it reminds me of all my years as a therapist, somebody coming in and saying something like, and this, it’s funny ’cause this only happens, this only happened at a time in my life where I was questioning myself. Right? So to go along with that idea of like what we attract and where we are, and, but to bring you back to the story, I remember a time where I would have people asking questions of me, and, and somebody had asked me, or multiple people had asked me how I could help someone if I hadn’t had that experience. Right? So how could you help me if, if you’re not, you know, an old man or how could you help me if you haven’t had this specific [00:11:00] loss?

And it was. So clear to me, you know, so early on that our experiences, even if they’re not the same exact experience, they’re universal. They’re archetypal. Right. And I mean, you know, that getting into the, the dream world especially. So it, it’s such a beautiful thing for us to understand and know, especially if that’s new for anyone listening to hold it that way and, and to know that okay, maybe we don’t have the same nuance of that experience, but we really are sharing these universal experiences.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: and I think, I think it goes. Even beyond the physical plane too. And I think that may, maybe even more so what unites us than, you know, the, like the family structure and the proclivities of our life, you know, that we have to live in boxes and wear clothing and all [00:12:00] these things. You know, it’s like, yes, those things are, are all commonalities, but we also we’re all spirits living in human form too.

Nicole Dolan: Right.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Mm-hmm.

Nicole Dolan: all along on this journey,

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Mm-hmm.

Nicole Dolan: this experiment, as one of my dear friends calls it.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: what is Sacred Path Holistic Therapy? How did you come upon?

Nicole Dolan: So. Yeah, yeah. Sacred Path Holistic Therapy is a collective of about 30 therapists. They are training therapists, so that means they’re master’s levels therapists. Some of them are working on master’s degrees, and some of them has have completed master’s degrees. But they’re in that threshold from completion of education to licensure.

And so because of that, they’re able to offer lower fee services than, you know, your typical going rate for a psychologist or a therapist out there. And they [00:13:00] provide and also receive excellent, excellent care. So we are currently licensed to work in California and Nevada. Only under that capacity.

But there certainly are people who come through my coaching program that we’re able to make things work with or if or if I do some coaching work, et cetera. So we’re not limited to just that. But as far as my, my collective that is where they are licensed and there are some limitations with it.

But what sacred path is, is there are many and for those of. Your listeners who are like, that sounds wonderful, and darn that’s not here. Also just, you know, I think a lot of people don’t know is this does exist if you go and look for nonprofit counseling. You know, if you’re somebody who is needing a lower fee or you have multiple children that you need to get into therapy, obviously, you know, the, the financial part is.

Can be a strain. And so it, it’s a nonprofit collective and these do exist in other [00:14:00] places. But what’s a little bit more different and unique about Sacred Path is we get to bring spirituality into our work. And that has just been a choice of mine along the way. We were taught in school. I mean, I did go to a very, very soul honoring school.

But typically. Many, and most, I would say therapists are taught that there is, you know, just like in schools, there’s a division between religion, spirituality, and the work. Right. Or God in school or, and for me, that split just didn’t make sense. It didn’t make sense to me to be working with somebody on.

What I consider their soul journey, their soul work, and, and not bring in, well, what are your spiritual beliefs? You know, do you work with dreams? Do you feel into the unconscious? Do you believe that you have access to your intuition and that your body actually has the ability to heal itself? Right? If I’m not asking those questions and bringing that in as part of the conversation and part of the healing that I [00:15:00] feel like something is so.

Is so lacking something so integral. I mean, I can’t even separate the two myself. So it was really born from the way that I work in the world, which is a blend of psychology and spirituality, and now neuroscience as well, and really honoring. All of that. It’s so beautiful to see what’s grown from that.

Luckily I’m very honored to say we have a ton of therapists that, that come in every year and want to work with us. And what’s so exciting to me about that is I get to read these resumes from people that are like, they have like energy medicine practices. They’re craniosacral workers.

They’re, you know, yoga instructors or, you know, trauma this, or like, they’re, they’re deeply informed practitioners that also really fall into this paradigm and really believe in, in what we do. So, so basically a nonprofit like you can find in many places, but we get to bring in the spirituality component as long as people want us to.

Of course, we see people that are [00:16:00] not interested in that. And that makes. That to me brings a lot of soul to the mission of the work.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: I love, I I love that. I think it’s fairly important to, whether you’re talking about mental health or you’re talking about physical health the spirit have to be involved because

Nicole Dolan: Right.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: involved. And that is what I realized when I started on this journey because I had my own set of health issues and I realized that just going to a traditional doctor isn’t going to fix this for me. This is part of my greater journey that is really coming from a spiritual perspective. And there aren’t a lot of, doctors that would integrate that necessarily. We have more holistic doctors, maybe functional doctors that understand all of this is intertwined, that stress and anxiety [00:17:00] and, parts of your mindset affect your body’s health, and you can’t just look at it, each organ in a vacuum and not understand the brain that’s running it. And so I think that’s, it’s really important. Even more so as we go forward with the sciences merging in that, in that way because, it’s, it doesn’t work. When you try to silo things off, we’re not looking at the whole state of our being, and

Nicole Dolan: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: it’s important, and it’s also the more universal way to approach healing any kind of healing. And so I think it’s fabulous that you had so many different types of energy healers and things that were coming in that were also. Doing the psychology practice because, oh. A lot of people aren’t [00:18:00] looking for a traditional answer anymore. They’re looking for something that resonates. And as we all start to have this great awakening, this having on this planet, the service providers are going to have to adjust and, be more authentic in their approach.

I mean, what works for you as a counselor, that’s probably what’s gonna work best in your practice.

Nicole Dolan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, certainly. And I always can speak to, to. The necessity of, of both. Right? And whenever that conversation comes up, I just feel right into the collective of like, well, yes, that’s the issue of the world today and the state of the world, right? Is like, it’s both guys. Like we need to bring ’em together, right?

We’re in this great split and paradox and but to bring it to the micro. Level and discussion. I will just say it’s so true. It’s, it’s both. So I’m gonna say, and it’s so true that a lot of people [00:19:00] are wanting and demanding a different type of care and healing and, and thank God it’s creating change that needs to happen.

And then I also really wanna honor. Psychology still too. You know, because also you hear a lot of narrative coming out too, where people are like, oh, well, you know, this is so much better than talk therapy. And yes, that’s true and there’s a lot of bad talk therapy out there, but at the same time, it also depends kind of where you at on your journey as to what’s going to, to meet you.

Right? But, but what I, but what comes through is this, this feeling I’ve, I’ve always had in this, in this discussion, which is. It’s so important too though for, you know, significant trauma survivors. Sometimes to do therapy before they’re laying down on a table with an energy worker, right? Like sometimes their body doesn’t allow them to lay on that table.

Sometimes their body’s not ready to receive from [00:20:00] that provider. And so there’s a place for, for all of it. And, and I think it really is like so beautiful to see the intelligence of the collective rising, the inner intelligence. And everyone’s saying like, okay, what’s gonna be right for me? Right. Like, where do I land and what’s going to, to meet me there?

And, and yeah, hopefully we do have more and more people practicing like this because, because this soul is, I mean, it, it’s silly. It’s almost silly to have the discussion about like, how do we bring soul into this, right? I mean, we are, we are soul, but we have to find all these different ways to kinda give language to it sometimes.

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Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah, I think the question is how do we, how do we merge it with traditional science?

Nicole Dolan: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: because traditional science doesn’t allow for it, because soul can’t be proven and it can’t be quantified, it can’t be tracked. And so science. Doesn’t really want to involve that traditionally, of course. But now we have all of these quantum science revelations that are coming out and all of these other perspectives that are weighing in that are saying, maybe we can’t separate them anymore.

Maybe we have to admit that now, and [00:23:00] really let it, together. So talk about neuroscience and how that is an aspect of, of the work that you do.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah, so not something that I was necessarily expecting, but that came along my initiation into autism. And understanding, you know, the, the nervous system and to come back to that image that we started with. You know, I think we’re all in the, the journey right now of being curious and, and trying to understand.

You know, life, like you said, why are we here? And, and for those of us who are familiar with, associated with experiencing, impacted by autism because that is a huge part of, of my work in my field now is it is for me once again about capacity. So when I started [00:24:00] realizing that. And it didn’t, it wasn’t even just a realization.

It was, it was over time I started, you know, tapping into and understanding things a little bit more. I realized that I needed to understand the neuroscience first of why my child was having such huge meltdowns, you know, and why she was so rigid and why things were so challenging. And, and most of what is available in the mainstream is, is.

Behavioral therapy, right? You get on a, a wait list for however long and your insurance covers behavioral therapy, which is basically, you know, A plus B equals C, and that’s not something that’s going to satisfy somebody like me, right? So I started getting into neuroscience, understanding the brain, the inflammation in the brain, studying the nervous system.

When, well, and because of my child. And so I went on a journey. I, I got her into we [00:25:00] started, you know, neurofeedback, biofeedback, neurosensory integration, chiropractic work, craniosacral equine therapy. And this wasn’t all at once. This was over a number of years. But that’s where that started to really.

Start to play into my world more and, and, and I was resistant by the way to go there. Right? It was a very dark net of the soul and challenging, chaotic confusion journey to be like a depth psychologist and somebody who was so invested in the individual spiritual journey of the human being, the individual, and then to have.

Autism and chaos and all of the layers that that came in with that, it was very confusing, right? It was like, I don’t, I don’t really know where to go with this or what to do with this and, and how to find. Like a depth [00:26:00] psychology approach to this or how to find the soul in this. And I think, and I’m speaking, I don’t mean to sound confusing, it’s just I’m speaking about something so large right now.

We live in a time where people are only starting to learn and understand and explore , or even be curious about like what this is. So I’m just going to simply say through. My journey of getting into then studying neuroscience and understanding it from a science perspective. Only after I wasn’t able to resolve it in all of my other ways that I wanted to only then was I then kind of like gifted by God or the divine, if you will.

I was then brought back into Eastern philosophy and medicine after I, I went on that deep dive and I understood, okay, these kids are extraordinarily sensitive beings, [00:27:00] extraordinarily sensitive beings, right? They can’t wear the clothes that we wear. They can’t eat the food that we eat. They can’t live in the poisonous world that we live in.

They don’t clear toxins. They have different genetic predispositions towards. Things that make other things clear out of our bodies. For some of us, this doesn’t happen for them. So they, so there’s a lot of biochemical, biomedical neuroscience understanding that had to go in to my journey with this.

On a very scientific level. But then once I did that work, then I was brought back into like seeing like, okay, now we’re more looking at like the threads of like multi-generational healing and ancestral work and dream work and the unconscious. And so all of this to say as simply as I can, I believe that I was led on that journey [00:28:00] so that I can.

Support families in very real ways. You know, through things like occupational therapy’s gonna be really supportive for your kid or you know, under understanding the nervous system or maybe brain inflammation that’s happening from certain foods they’re eating, et cetera. But then being able to, at the end of the day, say, and once you help, these beings or even yourself, most of us are waking up to and saying, Hey, if I’m a highly sensitive soul, maybe I’m on the spectrum somewhere.

So taking these practices, implementing them on a scientific nervous system, brain, right level. But once we do and we’re really attuning to what the body needs, the brain and the nervous system, then we’re starting to see these gifts really open up. Then we’re coming back into the journey of the soul, and we’re starting to really see like, wow, look at what these kids are carrying.

You know, look at what they’re, what they’re bringing in. Look at what their body has the capacity for. Speaking of [00:29:00] like how large their psychospiritual fields are, and so I didn’t expect to overload with information, but it’s a big question.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah, I hadn’t ever really thought about that. From that perspective, it, it’s intriguing to think about the spiritual role might be of people whose neuro processing is different others. And also what you were saying about the sensitivity aspect. I really like the ancestral healing topic as well, because my fiction novel that’s coming out this month is very much themed on chronic illness and ancestral healing, even though it’s a fantasy Halloween fantasy it really does address the concept [00:30:00] of what gets passed down through lineages and what a masses in our cells and in our psyche from the traumas of the previous generations, and also how that manifests itself as a dis-ease in our physical form and it. Presents it as a spiritual conundrum, really. Not something that you can just run and get a medication for, and that the people who are called to do that clearing the people that are here now. And that it’s really our role to hear the call and realize that we are in the roles that we’re in to facilitate that clearing of [00:31:00] that lineage.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah. Yeah, and, and I mean, what a beautiful book and what a beautiful message and a way to bring it out through story too, because I feel like it’s. It’s something we’re only, at least in our culture, starting to pay more attention to. Like we might hear, even those of us who are open, we might hear, maybe there’s some way that like, my ancestors are still impacting me, or multi-generational trauma, what does that really mean? And maybe we can make a, you know, I think it’s called a, it’s been a while since I’ve been in school, like a genogram where you kind of like map out, you know, oh, this person was an alcoholic and Oh, interesting.

This one was too, like, it, I feel like it lives at that level for people at, at least in large. At this point. And I think over time, you know, just like anything else, like, we’re starting to more embody that. And what does [00:32:00] that, what does that actually mean? You know? I’m somebody who’s done family Constellations work.

I don’t know if you’ve done this and heard of it. Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: but mm-hmm.

Nicole Dolan: And that is a, a way to access. Ancestors and healing through a, a morphic field, I could say. And certainly have had experiences that have really blown my mind and made a lot of sense and a lot of really deep, beautiful healing has come through.

So, so I’m very aligned with ancestral healing. And I feel like now is certainly the time that we’re being called upon to wake up to that and. And something I’m also really holding but certainly don’t have the scientific research or background to be able to explain this. So I’ll just hold it as intuitive for now as I really feel also like.

Our children, the ones that are coming into the world now, and [00:33:00] certainly our ones that are considered autistic, ADHD, OCD dyslexia, et cetera the neurodivergent ones, if you will. They are highly, highly sensitive beings and they do seem to have access not only to intuition more clearly, but I think they’re also caring.

Ancestor memory with them. And that’s a hard one to try and explain, but I can say, you know, I’ve known in my life that I’m very much a mirror for people. I very much bring things up and people, and my daughter is like that. Times 10. I mean, it’s, it’s wild to see. And, and not in a gentle way right now either because she’s so young, right?

So when she’s bringing something up in somebody, it’s usually like a, a caregiver or a nanny that’s just trying to get through her day, you know? , But she brings things up in people. She brings stories to [00:34:00] life. So I guess I could give you a brief example ’cause it’s like, well what does that mean, Nicole?

So being on the autism spectrum as a, as a little girl, having these really big meltdowns can cause us as parents and certainly, you know, anyone who is caring for her, a lot of anxiety. Right. It’s loud. You feel outta control. Maybe you had experiences in your life where you know the environment went from safe to unsafe and you experienced that in your system.

Whatever it is, it can trigger a lot. And whether it’s, an autism meltdown or. A child at school who didn’t win their award, whatever it is that triggers you as a parent. It’s this, it’s, it’s not the same experience, but a similar experience. Right. It’s bringing something up in you. So I’ve been through many nannies that were not able to.

Support or like regulate their systems well enough. And I understand I had to learn myself as a mom. But I remember more than one of [00:35:00] them coming to me and saying, you know, I can’t work here anymore. Okay. Why? You know, and well, basically since I’ve been working with your daughter, I’m remembering this trauma.

I’m having this thing come up in my body and I’m like, I’m remembering this thing that happened, or, or there’s this thing that I’m trying to run away from. And, and it was always so ironic. ’cause I’d be like, well, you’re in the perfect house. I mean, I, I can help you, you know, but, you know, usually that’s not what they wanted at the time.

So but I could just give so many, so many examples of, of my child coming into. Contact with people who are meant to learn something and her just bringing it right up.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Interesting. Wow, that’s

Nicole Dolan: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: It’s. It’s like she’s, she’s the deliverer

Nicole Dolan: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: And, it’s, and of course those people that have experienced that, they may, you know, say, well, I can’t work here anymore and, [00:36:00] and move on, but that’s not going to move on. That’s going

Nicole Dolan: Right.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: You know, hang on. And they’re going to eventually probably cross it, cross that path again and again until they realize that it’s being presented to them for a reason. So I That’s really interesting. Yeah, I think just because it’s traumatic, but also because maybe there’s, there’s something just so primal about that reaction like you said, it’s, it’s difficult to regulate yourself when you’re in the presence of it, and it does it from an empathic point of view.

It’s gotta be terribly hard to not fall into it yourself.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah. Yeah, it is extraordinarily challenging. I mean, I feel like I should be like a Jedi master of the nervous system at this point, you know?

Megan Mary – MeganMary: right.

Nicole Dolan: And, you know, I can still, [00:37:00] I can still fall into it. What’s really interesting is I always thought at some point I would get to this like. You know, just, just place where I could just be so peaceful no matter what was happening around me, because I’ve had to do so much work because of this.

I mean, she’s really called up my nervous system, right? And what’s interesting is I’m incredibly grounded. I don’t go into fight or flight or freeze anymore, but I used to. But I can still feel, just feel it in my system, you know, when it’s difficult. Like, it just, it just hurts. You know, and, and a lot of that is probably her too, right?

These kids, you know, when they are having difficult moments, which a lot of ’em are getting labeled as, defiant or it being, specifically a behavioral issue, what’s, what’s really getting missed is, is these kids are, they’re hurting and, and they’re having a hard time too, whether it’s sensory overload or it’s brain inflammation or, it’s the roundup that your, gardener just sprayed

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yep.

Nicole Dolan: [00:38:00] garden yesterday. All of these things impact them.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yep. They impact all of us. We just

Nicole Dolan: Right,

Megan Mary – MeganMary: wanna pretend they don’t.

Nicole Dolan: right. Well, we’re, we’re good with the gly fate, you know, and I mean, we’re not, but yeah, we’ve been able to live. Ignorantly and, and not, I don’t wanna say that in a rude way, but just like by choice, right? Because if we really wake up and face these things that, that we’re also in profound collective, helplessness.

Like, well, what do we do?

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Mm-hmm.

Nicole Dolan: Right? And of course, I believe, and I’m sure you do that, there’s solutions. But the first state is waking up and saying, what have we done?

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yep. Yep. But there’s so many more layers than we think.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah, yeah,

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Hmm.

Nicole Dolan: yeah. And these kids, they bring it to life, they bring it to life. And so a lot of my work and writing [00:39:00] is about the meaningful process of this journey and really honoring. You know what it is that these kids are bringing up in us because they’re great teachers and mirrors and and whether you’re a parent or not, there’s different mirrors that are held up to you throughout life, right?

Whether it’s going to be an illness that’s going to invite you to look at what. Still asking to be resolved or, or it’s your child it’s not uncommon, but but I think that it really is a shift in perspective for parents to understand and see that their child is really mirroring something.

In them. And then, you know, to come back to the neuroscience part, that part’s important too. How do we help their system so that they can be in that gift, you know? And not overwhelmed by, by the earth.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Right. Yeah. The mirroring aspect also keeps, keeps coming back [00:40:00] to that. And that’s, that’s my second book that came out earlier this year is The Dream Mirrors. And it’s all about, the illusion of I, our own identities, but also the mirror that, surrounds us, whether it’s the mirror of our subconscious and our conscious or the mirror that we must look into, not just at, but through really understand these, these greater lessons. So I, I love that metaphor as well. I.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah. Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Thank you for being here today and sharing your, your story of spiritual awakening and also the work that you’re doing. Combining neuroscience with psychology, it makes me very hopeful that these can synergize together and reach the people that are looking for it. Where can people find you out in the world to

Nicole Dolan: Sure. So I have a direct website, which is dr nicole dolan.com, and then I’m also. On Instagram [00:41:00] at Dr. Nicole Dolan.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Great. well I will put the links in the show notes yeah, encourage everyone to go check out what Nicole has to offer. Well, thank you so much for being my guest here today.

Nicole Dolan: Yeah, thank you Megan.

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