Margie Goldsmith

[00:00:00] You are listening to Women’s Dream Enlightenment. Dream decoding deep discussions and stories of spiritual awakening to inspire your personal enlightened journey. I’m your host, Megan Mary, international bestselling metaphysical author. And founder of Inner Realms Publishing. Let’s bring in the light.

Megan Mary: Welcome. Today we have Margie Goldsmith. She is a world renowned writer, journalist, and adventurer. She has lived a life defined by daring reinvention, not because she had an easy start, but because she refused to let hardship define her. She has been to 150 countries on seven continents, written four books, and garnered more than a [00:01:00] hundred creative writing awards.

Her memoir, becoming a Badass From Fearful to Fierce is an unforgettable and inspiring account of an extraordinary woman who has never allowed fear to stand in her way. Welcome, Margie.

Margie Goldsmith: Thank you so much.

Megan Mary: Yes. It’s wonderful to have you here today, and I’m gonna, my first question I’m gonna ask you is, what does enlightenment mean to you?

Margie Goldsmith: I think enlightenment means when you have given up on all the self doubts, anxiety, depression that we go through every day. Feeling less than, feeling not good enough.

Feeling that you haven’t achieved as much as your friend or neighbor and just being you and being satisfied with who you are right now.

Megan Mary: Very good answer[00:02:00]

And

it really fits with what I was thinking about this morning. I was thinking about creating a meditation for women who do too much or who feel that they have to just continually do. And that is a lot of what you’re speaking about in terms of productivity, defining worth. And letting others define our worth and keeping us from achieving because of fear.

Margie Goldsmith: I love what you say about letting others define our worth because so many of us live our lives compared despair.

Megan Mary: Yes. Yes. So we’re gonna get into it today. We’re gonna talk about what brought you to write this book after all of your incredible experiences. And also we’re gonna talk about spiritual awakenings and dreams that you may have had and how [00:03:00] all of this ties together with

the metaphysics of life, let’s put it that way. So where should we start?

Margie Goldsmith: Do you wanna start with a very spiritual metaphysical experience? I had three nights ago.

Megan Mary: Absolutely.

Margie Goldsmith: Okay. A very good friend of mine’s husband had pancreatic cancer. He’s been going through it for about two years now.

And it just hasn’t gotten better, but it hadn’t gotten worse, and his wife and I and all his friends thought he would be fine. Soon it would finally recede. He’d been through enough chemo and radiation, and then his stomach hurt horribly. He went into the er. It turned out that the cancer had spread into his stomach and his back and he had very little time to live.

So they took him outta the hospital, put him in home hospice. He was there two days and on the [00:04:00] second night, at three in the morning, I woke up and I saw him, Paul, in front of me, wearing a nice blue shirt and slacks and looking like the Paul I knew. And he said, Margie.

Please

take care of Marin, who’s his wife.

And I said, of course I will. Now, I was not dreaming, I was wide awake. I checked the next day with two of my very metaphysical, we’ll call them friends. And I said, I wasn’t dreaming. What was this real? And they said, of course it was real. And this happens in life. And the only other time it had happened to me, and I think it’s in my book was I was married to my first husband. He was quite a bit older, and he was extremely abusive. And this time I think it was a dream. And my father came to he had already been dead about 20 years, and he said, leave him. He’s not good enough for you. And somehow that gave me the courage [00:05:00] the next day to tell him that it was over, and that was as real to me as the experience with Paul three nights ago. So I do believe that there is an energy in the world, there’s something universal that we can all tap into or taps into us because we need it.

Megan Mary: Yes. And thank you for sharing those very incredible visitation dreams. They can be so powerful. And I’ve had those experiences myself as well. And they’re just unlike any other. Dream, dream stories, I’ll call them, where it’s very real, very much I think a spiritual encounter with the other spirits.

And of course we can interact with them in our daily life too, but we’re so much easier and closer when we’re in that sleep state, I believe. [00:06:00] And it’s amazing how. Our lives can, the course of our lives can change by paying attention to them.

Margie Goldsmith: I agree completely. Except for my father, which happened I guess 50 years ago or maybe 45. This was my first spiritual visitation since then. and it was a wonderful one. I had planned to take care of Marin anyway for the rest of her life. She’s a very dear friend, but to see her husband looking healthy and fit.

The way he was when I knew him was a wonderful

Megan Mary: Yes.

So in your mind you, I know that you had to overcome so many times where fear, looking back, you think, oh, and I got out of that situation and then I went to the next one and everything was, but of course it wasn’t that easy. And every time it was had to be a very difficult [00:07:00] challenge.

And yet you rose to that challenge. What advice would you give or do you give in your book for listeners who are going through those? Life transitions and are facing all of the fears of who they think they are, they’re supposed to be, or what might happen if they

totally

change course.

Margie Goldsmith: Okay. I think there are two real kinds of fears. There’s the anxiety, fear of which you’re speaking. I feel that I am not good enough for this, and this. And then there’s. The fear which you face inside you because you came from a very traumatic childhood as I did. I was brought up when I was eight, my mother said to my sisters, and I.

I don’t have kids, it’s not worth it. And my great aunt had said, I feel so sorry for you kids. And I never knew what she was talking about, but we were brought up to feel very less [00:08:00] than and nothing was good enough. And I’m sure that most of your listeners, even if they weren’t abused, somehow, felt that from a parent or a relative or a sibling, and maybe there was one person in their life who encouraged them. In my case, it was my fourth grade teacher, Ms. Drown. I’m sure she’s dead now. This was so long ago, but I would write something and I’d be so proud. I was writing children’s books when I was a child at eight, and my mother didn’t even wanna look at it, my father either, but I’d bring it into Ms. Drown and she’d say, oh, you must write. That’s so beautiful. Just keep doing it. And I think what helps us is one person, whether it’s a mentor or a friend, just somebody that you can rely on to tell you that yes. You are good enough and you can do it.

The way I think I escaped from feeling so inferior. I went to 13 schools before I graduated from college ’cause they could never [00:09:00] afford the house. But I think they were running away from life. I had a sister who was a schizophrenic. She would embarrass them. Both parents were alcoholics. My father was bipolar also.

My mother was just wacko. Once we went to the building of the FBI was our only family trip. We had two family trips in my lifetime vacation and we were in this building and they’re explaining about Dillinger and Al Capone and my mother raises her hand and goes, did Dillinger have a license to carry a gun?

And this was typical of my mother. It was always humiliating. She came into my eighth grade class and said. What are you doing giving this child an A? There are three misspelled words, and the teacher said she’s the only one who got it right about footnotes. It was all about footnotes. You don’t give a person an A if they misspelled three years.

She came in unannounced. So this was my life. My life was shame. And humiliation, and I’m sure a lot of [00:10:00] your listeners feel the same way. Maybe it’s a spouse who abuses them mentally or even physically, but when you’re in that kind of a situation, when you feel so less than get out. Physically remove yourself from that situation.

I don’t care if you can’t afford to get divorced, if it’s a spouse, just go separate yourself. What I did was as soon as I graduated from college, I saw this flyer from Columbia University. It said, go to Europe, $200 round trip, you go in, may come back in August and I thought, yeah, I’m going student hostels.

You could stay anywhere. It didn’t cost much, so I left. And at the end of the summer, I thought if I come back, I’ve graduated from college. I was supposed to either go to Yale and get a Master of Fine Arts or Columbia and get a master in comp lit, and I thought what am I going to graduate school for?

I only wanted to write. And my parents would all say, oh, you can’t write. You [00:11:00] can’t make a living writing. And I thought my father had committed suicide a few years before, and my mother and my grandmother were both, you must do this. You must do this and you must get married. And why aren’t you married yet?

And why don’t you have a boyfriend? And I thought. I’ll just stay in Paris because they won’t be calling me. It was long distance then long distance cost a fortune. There were no cell phones, there was no Skype, and so I knew that if she tried to call me, she was too cheap, so I stayed. I sent a little note back with some 12-year-old I met on the train.

And said, dear mom, I’m staying in Paris. Suddenly she knew where I was staying in the little $3 a night hotel. 15 francs. What do you mean you’re not coming back? I said, I’m gonna stay in Paris for a while. What about grad school? I don’t need to go to grad school. What are you gonna do there? I don’t know, but I’m just gonna stay here.

Are you in trouble? No, I’m not in trouble. Are you pregnant? No, I’m not pregnant. She couldn’t understand why I want to stay. That alone was [00:12:00] enough reason to stay, so I stayed, and that’s where I began to develop confidence because I didn’t have a parent hanging over me criticizing everything I did. I think my grandmother was worse than my mother.

You girls aren’t half as good as your mother ever was.

And was just all negative. Get away from whatever negative energy there is, and if you have a child, take your child with you. Just find someone who believes in you. We have to believe in ourselves, and if we’ve got someone telling us that we’re not good enough, or nothing we do is good enough, or nothing was say, and that we’re either fat or we’re ugly or we’re stupid.

Whatever they’re telling us or we’re crazy. That’s what my first husband used. You’re crazy. And it was very hurtful. Get outta there. That’s my advice to any listener. And if you’ve just graduated from college, the job market is terrible now, with AI taking over everything, go away for a year. Go explore a foreign [00:13:00] country.

Just get away. Get out of yourself. Learn something new about another culture. Every other culture in the world respects their elders, so if you want nothing to do with your parents or your grandmother, you’ll see families, you’ll see happy families if, especially if you came from a horrible one. So that’s my best advice.

Get out of whatever situation you’re in and change it. I always used to say to my friends who refuse to work out, move a muscle. Change a thought. It’s true because if you’re in a funk you just get up and walk around the block. Then you can just change a thought and change your mind. So even better, get out completely and change your whole attitude about who you are and become who you want to be, who you are meant to be, who you dream about. ’cause if you dream it, it’s gonna happen. You can do anything you wanna do. No matter how many people tell you can’t.

My motivation [00:14:00] might not be yours. My motivation was because I was gonna prove to them, I’ll show you that I’m good enough that I can do this. And most of my life I’ve spent proving to them now all everybody’s dead except one sister and she loves me. So that’s good. Proving to them that I am good enough and I can do it.

And nothing you can do or say is gonna stop me from doing it. And that’s what I call being a badass. And

that’s really, to answer your other question, why did I write this book for all those people like me who were told they weren’t good enough? You are good enough and you can change your life. So do it.

Because I’m much older now than I used to be. I just turned 82 and I said, I see myself, I’m still 35. Running marathons and 40 running marathons, 60 running marathons. Now, it’s hard. Everything breaks down, but it doesn’t matter how old you are, [00:15:00] if you’re 60, if you’re 70, do it. And if you’re younger, do it too.

It’s not too early and it’s not too late to just change where you are and how you feel because then you’ll become the person that you want to be.

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Megan Mary: Sage advice. Yes you really do have to take your life into your own hands and recognize that. I talk a lot about About reality being an illusion, and our minds create these [00:17:00] cages for ourselves that we willingly stay in, that are comprised of our experiences from our youth as well as what other people have said and judged around us.

And so we create this compilation of truth that we think is reality. When in fact it’s not, and that there’s so many other options. There’s so much more to this reality and that we actually can recreate ourselves at any age and recreate what our life is but we feel so trapped and so predicted and I think really metaphysics in itself is a study of reality. And so it’s questioning what is it that I think I am existing in? What is it that I believe to be true that’s [00:18:00] preventing me from doing what I would really like to be doing. And is that true? And so if it’s not? What else is true?

And that’s where we can become those co-creators of our own reality and understanding that we’re not limited. And even that this human body is not the limit we are actually spirits just having a temporary period in this biochemical suit.

Margie Goldsmith: I love that. I think we’re of the same mind.

Megan Mary: Yes.

So great minds think alike. And I get stuck just like anybody else, but the reason that I created this podcast is because I worked hard at that stage to unstick myself. I wasn’t prepared [00:19:00] to be on camera or be on social media or talk about these types of topics that general people don’t talk about. And I was terrified of what would happen if I did and I had to go through that what some people call Dark Night of the soul and face that and say what if I did do that? What’s the worst that’s going to happen? And when I faced that, all of a sudden everything changed. People started acting in ways I didn’t expect. I started meeting people that were very supportive, that thought of course you’re doing this. And I was like, no, you don’t understand. It took so much to get me here. It was not an easy

transition, but I believed. In myself and in the value that I felt [00:20:00] that I had to share.

And also just in the calling too, because I really felt I had to be the voice for other women and create this platform for other women to come tell their stories for other women to hear, and it just really felt like that was my service, and that in doing that, it was going to change lives.

I

Margie Goldsmith: I think

that you have found the key. To what makes you be you are those keys that you’re wearing as earrings? See, you found two keys to your life. The key for you and the key for everybody who’s listening.

Megan Mary: Yes.

Agreed. Yeah it’s something that happens, when we step aside from ourselves.

When we [00:21:00] disassociate from who it is we thought we were and step into that more universal awareness, and that’s where I think when we start to tap into that, it becomes less ourselves and more the universal mind, which of course knows everything.

Margie Goldsmith: I

agree with that completely. And there’s a lot more to my story. Let’s deal with the C word and the D word. D is not for death, D is for divorce, and the C is for cancer, each of which I’ve had three times. First, I had what’s called a Whipple. Which sounds like, I thought it was something nuns wore on their head.

No, that’s a wimple. It’s about a six hour operation. Not many people survive it. I remember going to see a doctor for something else about a month after my Whipple and. And he goes, have you had any surgeries [00:22:00] recently? I said, yes, I had a Whipple. He said, you had a Whipple?

I said, yeah, I had a Whipple. You had a Whipple. I said, I told you I had a Whipple. He said, it must have been a very good doctor. I was, okay. And then it came back two years later and they took out my entire pancreas turning me into a diabetic type one, which I had not planned on. And then two years later, it sneaked into my lung and they had to take out part of my lower right lobe, but it doesn’t affect my speaking. And I even play blues, harmonic. I jam every Monday night and I’m doing that.

but let’s talk about cancer because you could say, oh, poor me. I have cancer. Isn’t this awful? Or you could say. I’m gonna beat this.

I’m sure Paul tried everything he could. He, there are some people you just can’t help it. If it spreads throughout your body, there’s nothing you can do. But if it hasn’t spread throughout your body, if you have a positive attitude about [00:23:00] your cancer, just as you do about your life, you’re going to get through it a lot more easily.

My way of getting through it was. Move a muscle change of thought. I’d start, I’d get outta bed. I’d do one lap in the hospital corridor. The next time I’d do two. And I walked up to, I was eventually doing 14 laps when I got home. I had to have a private nurse ’cause it was bad. And we’d walk down the street and I would do one more block each time.

And that was true of all three. Cancer operation. So if you get the big C move, don’t stay in bed and don’t feel sorry for yourself. You’ll have enough people feeling sorry for you and saying, oh, I’m so sorry. Just get up and move. And then the D word, as I said, it’s not for death, it’s for divorce. So I’ve been married three times.

I’m glad I married each one of them. I learned a lot from each one. I would never bad mouth any of them, but I’m glad I got out of all three marriages [00:24:00] because I think what happens is people meet and they’re together and you don’t wanna go out to dinner with another couple or on vacation. You just want to be alone.

And then suddenly you’re married and the years go by and you either grow together or you grow apart and in all three instances, the reasons I had married them changed to who I was becoming. I was changing, they were staying who, they were the person I wanted to marry, but I no longer wanted that. So I divorced three times.

Megan Mary: Yeah, you’ve had a lot of vast life experience. Lot of people maybe don’t even do that once necessarily.

Having done it three times and it, just really makes you, as my father would say, rounded. It makes you understand so many different circumstances and people, and also with all the places that you’ve traveled and all the things that [00:25:00] you’ve studied and been a part of. It’s sometimes what happens just as we get older, but not necessarily because some people do the same thing their whole lives never questioned. They’re on this loop and they’re okay with it.

And I think that in a way that’s personalities too, because some personalities are not seekers. They’re consumers versus creators. Everybody has a role. And so that may be right for someone and not right for someone else.

But this show is very much for seekers, very much for people that are.

Looking outside the box, want to understand maybe what’s beyond what they’ve been told.

and that’s where the great awakening comes. That’s how we expand our consciousness by not just accepting things.

Margie Goldsmith: I agree [00:26:00] completely. I think my word for what it is to seek. Is just be curious. Question things, ask questions. Don’t be afraid to meet people. In my travels, yes, I’ve been to 150 countries, but it’s not like checking them off. I’ve been to these countries and spent time in them. It’s not like just passing by in an airport.

And what to me is important isn’t the beautiful churches and cathedrals and museums and great restaurants, it’s the people. Wherever I go, and especially in third world countries. I wanna try to communicate with the people. I couldn’t, when I was in places like Turkey and Mongolia, I could learn MEbA in Egyptian or Za and Bhutanese, but I could learn how to say hello and thank you.

But that wasn’t enough to have a conversation. But there is a universal language. And that’s music. Now I only travel with carry-on bag, even [00:27:00] if I’m going to Africa. So I thought, okay, I need to take up an instrument. And I thought guitar would probably be easiest, but it’s too big. You can’t pack it in an over, an overhead suitcase.

And then I thought what’s small enough? Which looks easy. And I thought this a harmonica, look how little it is. You can fit it right in your pocket. So I took up harmonica. I I found out about a jam camp for beginners in Clarksdale, Mississippi. And I went and the cotton was in full bloom and I learned how to play.

A couple of notes, came back, found a teacher on Skype, who I still take from, he’s in Wales. You’d think, what does he know about the blues? Everything. I’m having a wonderful time with it, and now when I go to a third world country, I get Hohner who’s one of the great harmonica makers to send me 30 harmonica inexpensive ones.

I bring them with me and I ask to meet a third or fourth grade class ’cause they’re at a perfect age and I give [00:28:00] them each a harmonica and I just tell them to inhale and exhale. And there’s always a translator who explains and suddenly we’re all making music together and it’s a bond. Or if I’m not in a classroom, I’ll just sit in a park and play.

And suddenly it’s like the Pied Piper. I have all these kids around me. So I would suggest to anyone who’s gonna travel the world. Find something that you can do to engage with the people if you don’t play an instrument or play a big instrument and don’t want to take it with you. I saw someone do this in Bhutan, that she would make these little origami boxes and give them to people.

They were beautiful. The papers were, like this big, and she’d make a little swan. There’s so much you can do with very little, but a lot of creativity to endear people to you and have a way of communicating with them, because for me, all the travels are about my experiences with the people.

I’ll tell you one, ’cause there’s so many wonderful stories. [00:29:00] I was training for a marathon. I was in Atlas Mountains outside of Marrakesh, and there was a hill right outside this resort. But I needed to get my mileage in, so I throw on some running clothes, and I run down the hill and I see these two women who are kinda laughing at me, and I know they’re waiting for the bus.

So I go down the hill, truckloads of men are passing by. It’s time to get outta work, and they’re laughing and pointing and I ignore them. I run down the hill. Now it’s time to run back up the hill, running up the hill, and suddenly the two big women come at me and at first I’m thinking, what are they doing?

And they grab my hand and they pull me. They wanna run with me. So the three of us run up the hill together and they’re wearing those little funny slippers with a pointed toes, and they’re long AVAs or whatever they’re wearing. We run up the hill together, screaming at the [00:30:00] top of our lungs and laughing.

And we get up to the top of the hill and they have this wonderful cry. In Arabic, which is something I can’t even do it. And they’re screaming and we’re laughing and we’re hugging now, this probably happened 20 years ago, but I can still feel them and hear them and remember how much fun it was. So it’s the unexpected, which always is the most fun.

I’ll tell you one other story ’cause it’s just fun. I was in Bhutan, I was with a group, an Outward Bound group. A adult invitational. We were on a trekking trip and we were going up this trail and it was a little dirt path and it was their main highway. And so we’d be passed by these herds of yak trains who’d be pulled up with bells and you’d get to the side of the road terrified.

And then the Indian army with these big boxes on their backs, carrying up rum for the winter. [00:31:00] And then a mother came by pulling a pony with two little twins, 2-year-old twins, they all have these red apple cheeks, and I was just so happy. I’m not the fastest hiker like the alpha males, and I’m not the slowest hiker, so I’m usually hiking by myself and I’m by myself.

When suddenly this whole group of school kids come, they’re probably about 10 years old. They’re pulling on my clothes or holding my hand. And they start to sing to me in Bhutanese, and I don’t know the words, but I know the tune, which I remember from Girl Scout Camp, which is Dear ears hang low, do they wobble to and fro.

And I had learned it with these expressions. So then I sang it to them in English with the expressions, and then we sang it together, me in English, them in Bhutanese with them doing the expressions. They followed me all the way to camp. Holding hands, fighting each other, who gets to hold my hand.

And it was so moving. When I got to my tent, they did not wanna leave. They all wanted to crowd into the tent. The instructors kicked them out. [00:32:00] But it was that too, I remember, as clear as it was yesterday. And it’s those unexpected experiences which just support you and make you feel empowered and compassionate.

Megan Mary: Yes. Those are wonderful stories. Yeah, and it really breaks down those barriers the language barriers, the cultural barriers, all of the, even the human barriers, where all of a sudden we start to see the hints of that universality.

We start to recognize that. We really do have a lot of the same experience, even though we’re living in totally different countries and different language and wearing different clothing and we’re just, everything seems so quote unquote foreign. But on the other hand, there is this resonance and this understanding that goes beyond that.

And that’s where we really [00:33:00] are spirits communicating and we’re communicating at a different level. Because if you think about frequency and vibration and resonance being those according to Tesla, secrets of the universe that’s what music is and that’s also the levels that we can reach each other at that surpass all these other restraints that we’ve learned. Beautiful stories to demonstrate how possible that is. So for those that are interested in checking out your book and all your other offerings, your harmonica playing where can they find you?

Margie Goldsmith: I think the best thing is to go to my website, which is. www.margiegoldsmith.com and that has a whole little link to my book, which [00:34:00] is called Becoming a Badass From Fearful to Fierce, which you can get as an audio book or Kindle or as a paperback and it’ll have a lot of my articles there so you can take a look at them.

And I think there’s a link to my two albums I wrote and sang and played harmonica on two albums with America’s greatest Blues band, Rick Estrin and the Night Cats. So I flew out there to their little studio, and it’s fun. I did it just for fun. I think I do everything for fun now ’cause life is fun.

Megan Mary: That’s a fabulous perspective. Yes. Thank you for sharing that and your stories and your books and I’ll be sure to put all the links in the show notes so that everyone can check them out.

Out. So thank you very much for being here today, Margie. I

Margie Goldsmith: Thank you so much for having me, and I’m so glad we’re of exactly the same mind about things.

Megan Mary: Yes. [00:35:00] Thank you.

Margie Goldsmith: Thank you.

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