Lisa Campion: Meeting with Megan Mary

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Megan Mary – MeganMary: welcome. Today we have Lisa Campion. She has been a psychic since way before it was cool to be now with 35 years in the field and 15,000 plus sessions under her belt. She mentors the next wave of psychics and empaths and energy healers. She’s the only one you call when your gifts are waking up fast and your soul work can’t wait. A bestselling author, [00:01:00] Shift Network teacher and co-founder of the Quantum Mystic Mystery School, Lisa, brings the wisdom, clarity, and no fluff truth you didn’t know you needed. Welcome, Lisa.

lisacampion: Thank you so much, Megan. It’s so beautiful to be with you today.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yes. And especially after being a guest on your podcast, it’s nice to reconnect on mine.

lisacampion: Yeah, I love that. I love a podcast exchange. It’s always so fun.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yes. So the first question I’m gonna ask you is, what does enlightenment mean to you?

lisacampion: That’s such a great question. No, and nobody ever asked me that question. I love it. I feel like to me it’s like an inner process. It’s like the going inside and doing the inner work that kind of clears out all of the things that stand in the way of that. That’s seems to me like that’s our natural state, but it gets all clouded with traumas and our [00:02:00] anxieties and our thoughts and our unprocessed feelings, and I feel like we just, our job is to continue the inner work. So I think it’s an inner, and I have a mystery school and it said that the entrance to the mystery schools was a slogan. The slogan was know thyself. That was the, that’s the key to enlightenment is to know yourself. And I feel like it’s about. Really deeply embracing our humanity, embracing who we are, embracing all the pieces of us not trying to transcend our humanity, not trying to transcend, rise above somehow the sinful, creatures that humans think they are, really to embrace all that sort of the full harmonic merging of our spiritual and human self.

And when we fully do that. realize that we’re part of the oneness. We achieve unity consciousness, and we realize we’re just part of this greater oneness.[00:03:00]

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yes,

good answer. Knowing thyself, leading to the question of which self right and the different perceptions and levels of what we understand self to be. So there’s that egoic self. There’s the spiritual oneness of the self. There’s that, there’s the physical self and they often get quite confused. So I do agree that it is the merging and the discarding of the individuality. That keeps us in the loop.

lisacampion: And I think the discarding comes with a full embracing of it all. I work with the four five bodies model, like so the physical body, emotional body, mental body, body, spiritual body. though which self, we could break it down into that. I was [00:04:00] also trained in psychosynthesis, which is a parts work.

As a therapist. And so looking at our sub personalities, our parts, the part of you that’s the inner child archetypes, part of you that’s this way or that way. And for me it’s the been the uncovering process of all those different parts of myself that gives me the of the fullness of myself and like the dis-identification with the ego a little bit.

Like we have an ego. We need the ego as, as long as we’re alive. I always say if you wanna show up to work on at the right time and the right day with your pants on, you need an ego. Like we need, it’s functional. We don’t want to, we wanna disidentify that from the primary ness of who we are, but I don’t think we wanna fully get rid of it until we sh shift out of the body, then we don’t need it.

But I do think it’s possible to achieve enlightenment while you’re in a body. And it’s more about harmonizing all of those parts. Seeing [00:05:00] them all and loving them all, I think is really about loving them all, accepting them all.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah, good. It’s a good point to make about the ego because. Often in spiritual awakening talk, we talk about getting over the ego, getting rid of the ego, and losing it com, losing it completely in order to unite with those higher concepts. But I guess you’re right, that to maintain that balance between the physical world and the spiritual world, we do have to keep parts of it.

lisacampion: Yeah, you can do that. We can reach unity consciousness. It’s not that hard. Just take. A heroic dose of mushrooms on the on your psychedelic journey. And you can drop your ego like that. However, then you wanna go, you wanna go into Cubies and buy a gallon of milk, you better have one of those things.

Like we can’t function humans in that state of, non, non-duality. Maybe the spiritual masters can,

Megan Mary – MeganMary: yeah, because they’re not caught up with all the other requirements [00:06:00] of life. If that you

could, we could all just sit on top of a mountain and,

lisacampion: that’s right. So I think it, to me it’s less, I think it is important to dis-identify from it. That is a part of me. It’s not the fullness of me, but I don’t think we can shuck it unless we want, until it’s time to really leave the body.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. Let’s talk about how you came to do the work that you’re doing out in the world, because you’ve been doing a lot 35 years in the field training so many other people walking the path with so many other people. But everybody had a beginning that wasn’t always rosy and shiny.

So where did yours start?

lisacampion: Mind when I look back on it, it seems more comical than anything else. But I I was born in the sixties in just in New England, just outside of Boston, and I was one of those i [00:07:00] see dead people, kids. So I was born with a psychic gift. I could see things, see colors around people. I could see dead people.

I could see angels and shadow spirits all the whole thing. But back then, there really wasn’t a to be had about that. You couldn’t talk about it unless you wanted to end it up in the psych ward, or. I was lucky that my parents didn’t throw, didn’t drag me to the church and throw holy water on me, but they, they didn’t really know what to do.

It was oh, you have such a good imagination, Lisa. That’s what I heard my whole life. And I was like, really though? Am I really imagining that I, I don’t think I really am, but didn’t know what, how to deal with it. So I spent the first like literally 20 years of my life trying to figure out what was going on.

Where was the off switch? was I, what was happening? What was I supposed to do with all this stuff? I had some really beautiful moments along the way. Fortunately, my parents were hippies, so they took me to transcendental meditation when I was 10, [00:08:00] because that’s what you did when you were a hippie in 1974 as you went to transcendental meditation.

So I learned that I did this incredible thing when I was in high school called. then it was called Silver Mind Control, but now it’s called the Silva Method. Fantastic training for a budding psychic. I was really drawn to martial arts, so I became a martial artist, and so I had mostly ’cause I just wanted to be a Jedi knight.

I was wanted to be Yoda, I found all those things to be deeply educational for my spiritual life. And then I went to college, went to university. In the early eighties, and it was the dawn of the new age. Hallelujah. All of a sudden then there were and books and new age bookstores and the conversation was open.

And that’s about the time where I started working. So I was 19 when I started working as a psychic. It was way back in the eighties and I’ve been 200 ever since.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah. [00:09:00] Wow.

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: I agree about the whole new age thing. It was nice that people were finally starting to talk about it at that time because you had both the the institutional, like you said perspectives on those experiences, and then you had the very organizational, religious perspectives on that experience and. That cultural movement brought about a greater acceptance of saying, Hey I’m receiving messages from the other side, or I had an experience I can’t explain without you being institutionalized

or forced into, A religious explanation. and now there’s a whole nother level of that happening

lisacampion: Hmm.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: it’s going beyond the new age. Pigeonhole because I feel New Age was great and expansive when it happened, but now it’s too small for

what’s happening.

lisacampion: for sure.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah. [00:10:00]

lisacampion: And now I think of it as TikTok, the TikTok spiritual revolution,

And it’s very, there’s the TikTok, psychics, God bless them. And they’re, they’re bringing this information, this material, these concepts, those experiences to a whole new generation of people and a whole different language, a whole different level of acceptance.

There’s, paranormal TV shows and, famous psychics, celebrity psychics. So that I feel really happy about it. I don’t think we’re always all on the same page about what’s real and how to do it, but how to do it properly and safely.

But I do appreciate that the conversation has become more general, because I also think people are becoming more and more psychic. We have a lot of things available these days that really open up your psychic ability. If you have latent or natural psychic ability, can, you meditate, do some yoga, you learn reiki.

Those are the three gateways I think to the, a larger spiritual growth process. And if you [00:11:00] do that it’s likely that your psychic ability will pop right open and then you know there’s a great opportunity there for you. But might, maybe it’s scary or maybe. You don’t know what to say or do or and now there’s all this new, this, these new platforms that are, and conversations, they’re podcasts,

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah.

lisacampion: books like your beautiful books, that just open up the conversation to a much wider audience, and I think that’s really great.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: And I would add to that a fourth, which is dreams. ’cause of course, I really believe that dreams are one of the ways that we can open up

our intuition, activate our skills, find a pathway to the other side, and really experience other dimensions.

lisacampion: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Dreams, I think so many people are interested in dreams, talking about dreams, and I think also psychedelics. So [00:12:00] I think that, plant medicines have also created another pathway that bring people there. Dreams was one of my absolute favorites though, and I dunno if we talked about this when I, when you were on my podcast, but when I was in junior high school, creative writing teacher to start a dream journal, and it was such a formative age for me.

So I started doing that, and then we would spend time in. Creative writing class in junior high school, our dreams. So I learned dream analysis at a very early age. actually even before then, I just dreamed my head off. I’ve been, and I think it’s true a lot for visual psychics tend to be dream oriented.

And it was so beautiful to have, I had vivid dreams. Lucid dreams, recurrent recurring dreams, nightmares, my whole, I still do. But in my childhood it was very unsettling. And I remember [00:13:00] as a kid dreading going to sleep ’cause I’d be like, what the heck is gonna happen when I, once I’m asleep?

I’m like, oh man, I’m going back in the dream world. And then this magic, it had this magical spiritual training like, it was the seventies, so it was pretty crunch, earthy, crunchy. But god bless teacher for, it was a magical experience for me learning at such a young age, and so I have great dream recall and really like a love and a knack for dream analysis every morning.

I dream my head off all night, and the first thing I do in the morning is think about my dreams. Talk about my dreams. Analyze my dreams. I love it.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yes. Excellent. Then that definitely underscores what I usually share and. For me, I

had a very similar experience. I dreamed so much when I was little and I had the same thing. Really scary nightmares, really amazing flying dreams, lots of recurring dreams and I felt mostly like the observer. I think at that point when I was a [00:14:00] child, I under understand how to control it how to. Get out of it if I got stuck in that same nightmare again, or why I was having that nightmare. And so that really led me at a very early age to be looking for answers. And probably same thing pre preteen age. I was just like taking you to the library ’cause there wasn’t the internet. And I wanted to look up as much as I could about any kind of occult theories or new age stuff or stuff about dreams to try and figure out, okay, what is this? And of course, once I got to college, I was studying, psychology along with, all kinds of other ancient texts but they didn’t quite explain it for me in a way that satisfied me. And I think that is because it was lacking that, that spiritual aspect. So you could

read about the spiritual aspect or you [00:15:00] could read about the the Jungian or the Freudian perspective, but they weren’t coming together in a way that seemed Holistic to me where it was addressing both things

and

lisacampion: great point.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah.

lisacampion: Have the, I have the same experience and I don’t know when I figured out side of things because I know I can tell, like when I’m dreaming, I’m like, oh, this is just my subconscious, like thrashing through something and it’s uncomfortable, but I’m like, what?

My subconscious doesn’t have a lot of subtlety, it’s pretty like

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yeah,

lisacampion: blunt

Megan Mary – MeganMary: sure.

lisacampion: and so I’m like, okay what, what’s going on here? And I’ll start analyzing what’s happening in my subconscious while I’m dreaming. And so there’s always that part of me that’s like observing and analyzing the dream while it’s happening.

I actually wake up in the morning early because, you dream a lot right before you up.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: Yep.

lisacampion: usually I’m like, oh my God, I’m so [00:16:00] tired of this dream. This is annoying and stupid. Get me outta here. So I just wake up I’m like, okay, done sleeping. Now I just don’t have, I just don’t get me out my.

like I’m swimming around in my subconscious, get me out. But I do think that, those spiritual dreams, the psychic dreams are very different. They have a very different feeling, a very different experience. I get psychic information in my dreams all the time, but it doesn’t have a lot of emotional charge to it, which is so interesting.

So I know if I’m having emotion dreams, it’s my own self, my own psyche trying to process something. But. The really interesting and intense psychic ones don’t seem to have a lot of emotional content, even though you think they should be, or they’re about an intense topic, but in the moment, I’m not feeling the emotion.

Is that true for you as well?

Megan Mary – MeganMary: I receive a lot of information in what I call the. Middle world or the liminal state, or the

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary: state where I’m coming [00:17:00] out of dreaming and I’m waking up. And that’s where I get all kinds of, messages, phrases, songs, lyrics, numbers, people’s names, A lot of time people’s names in their own voices.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: In my middle state liminal state, I often receive people’s names. Many times they, I’ll hear it in their own voice, their full name, as well as sometimes addresses or numbers or seemingly nonsensical messages, phrases, guidance. And so that’s really what I’m investigating for my PhD and what’ll be my nonfiction book is gonna be about that hypnopompic state and the information that we receive in it.

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lisacampion: I can tell you what I think and that we’re in that liminal state. We’re thrown into the the right brain. So the, intuitive brain. It’s the symbolic brain. We’re in an alpha brainwave state, so when we’re in, when you’re coming up either falling asleep or coming up out of sleep, we, we go from the beta brainwave down into the alpha.

If we’re in theta, we’re not really getting, that’s theta and delta. We don’t get psychic information there. But alpha is where we get where we have psychic information. So I think as you’re co waking up and coming to sleep, your brain is naturally going into. The alpha brainwave state, and that’s what professional psychics learn to do, is to shift into the alpha brainwave state at will.

So we do it, I learned how to do it [00:20:00] silver mine control when I was in high school. And then I think probably you’re tapping into the astral plane. So the astro plane is like where, dead people are people who have crossed over people who need help. People who are, they’re like, hello.

You can hear me, that’s where mediums go to get mediumship information. When I’m getting mediumship, doing mediumship work when I have to go into the astral. But I work with my students to teach ’em to go more up. So when we go up, we shift into a higher frequency.

We’re tapping into it’s like changing the channel on your tv. We go into a slightly higher one that’s where. Angels ascended masters, like higher level beings that tend to give better guidance than, random dead people and astral entities. They can, astral entities are a bit of a mixed bag.

If we get into the lower astral, they can be quite mischievous and even dangerous. Middle astral is stuck dead people. Upper astral, we have more sort of archetypal guides and the fairies, [00:21:00] the unicorns, the dragons. If you’re connecting with those beings. And then we, then there’s a hierarchy of dimensions that go up up.

And so I think you’re tapping probably middle and higher as higher astral plane. If you were tapping low, ’cause you’ve got a high vibration, you’ve got, you’re so light. If you were tapping the lower astral you’d be haunted. You know what I mean? You’d be like, Poltergeist Tea having more Poltergeist tea I hate to say the Evil Dead, but it’s, ’cause it’s not really the case, but you, it’s more horror movie,

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Sure.

lisacampion: TV kind of stuff.

But that I think that’s my understanding of it. I don’t know. Do you think, what does that track with what you think.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: My argument is that it’s a state where we are being psychic receptors, where we are

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: information where we can, not just our intuition that we’re tapping into. It’s allows us to communicate. These other

lisacampion: Yeah, that’s right. I agree.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Yeah. [00:22:00] And that’s really what the basis of the, all the work that I’m gonna be doing is to prove that to bring together those previous theories about no, if you’re, experiencing anything in here, it’s just a hallucination versus people that actually traveling to these other realms in other states besides dreaming. So

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: your point. And then bringing, bridging those two

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: to make the case to say, Hey, this really is a place that we can do this work and we need to respect it as such, and therefore also utilize it as such.

lisacampion: Yeah, so good. And I feel like it’s such a easily accessible one because I don’t think it matters how psychic you are or it’s like we, when we’re in that sleeping state, the. Left brain, the busy side of the brain, the analytical brain sort of out of the picture, and it’s quiet. It’s more, it’s just not online.

And that’s the part that when we’re in our waking state, interferes with [00:23:00] our psychic nature, so we’re thinking, we’re analyzing we’re having experiences. And your mind’s like poo-pooing your exper. You’re like we’re, that’s. Silly. We’re not going think about that. Like it’s dismissive of these other experience we’re having.

And so I think a lot of people who don’t believe in this world or this conversation we’re having right now, still get to access their higher guidance in dream states because the, that part of the mind that argues it’s just not theirs, just out of the way. And for some people, that’s the only time that they have that they’re in that state.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Yep.

lisacampion: they lick the tree frog or, do the psychedelic journey or something. But, we can also get it in, through meditation, through, the hard work that professionals psychics do to get their

Kind of on demand. But there, there are many other avenues, but it’s such a good one.

It’s such a good one. And it’s because it’s so accessible to everybody, that’s what’s so beautiful about it, I think.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Yes. [00:24:00] Yes. I completely agree. And that’s one of the reasons I feel I need, really need to spread the word about it, because so many people are trying to figure out how to access their gifts. Oh, I wish I could do that. I wish it would turn on, I don’t know how to get to it. And there’s all this resistance and I really do think that dreams is one of those ways and.

lisacampion: really powerful way.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Yes. So when you first began experiencing your gifts, what came on first in terms of, everyone has a different thing that’s very strong. So for me it’s clear audience. I, Claire, knowing clear, cognizant, a lot of different. Versions that came on first and were stronger as the other ones came on.

lisacampion: I’m a visual psychic is my primary, and I always have been, and it is problematic in a co for a couple of [00:25:00] reasons. First of all, it’s a big pain in the neck. Especially as a child, I think it’s the one that’s the most scary, and a lot of children who are clairvoyant, see things get really freaked out by what you’re, I always say, do you really wanna see what the growly thing under your bed actually looks like?

Like it’s, scary. And so people with strong, clairvoyant tend to have a little, they take a little damage on the way, and it’s also, I think, the most rare, so the it’s not always the most accurate. It take, it’s unwieldy. It takes more training to get it under control.

And the sad thing to me is that it’s also become synonymous with psychic. So somehow we run a psychic activity in, in my, in one of my classes and people are like, I’m not psychic. I didn’t see anything. Did you hear, sense, feel know. Feel it in your body. I think the body is probably the most accurate.

And there’s so many different other ways. And so I really like [00:26:00] people to change their vocabulary here and say, what did you perceive? What did you experience? Because perceiving and experiencing openness to all the other channels that we have that we might be dismissing as, oh, it’s, if it’s not seeing, it’s not the thing.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: I think that’s really important,

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: A lot of people hesitant to say abilities. ’cause then people are gonna say you’re psychic. Oh, I have a question for you. I need to know this information. It doesn’t necessarily work that way.

Not everybody receives their information the same.

Not everybody is on demand and not everybody. Is going to tap in or want to, to

lisacampion: right.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: who has a question. So

lisacampion: no.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: there’s a

lisacampion: Yeah, no.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: misunderstandings. What would you say some of the other misunderstandings might be?

lisacampion: I think one of the big misunderstandings is that it’s something you can’t learn that somehow you’re born with a talent and if you’re not born with a talent you’re out, you’re outta luck. [00:27:00] I do think it’s a lot like musical ability or athletic ability. Everybody has some. Some people have more potential than others, but whatever you have, if you’re willing to work it, you can reach your potential.

But it does take work. So we have to have knowledge, we have to practice, we have to have a teacher, a structure or a map to help us. Just like if you wanted to play the piano or you wanted to be really good at a sport. You study, you practice, and you know over time that you’re gonna get there.

We should look at professional psychics, like professional athletes or professional musicians, and understand how hard they had to work to get to where they are. And the good news about that is you can do it too if you want to. If you’re, anybody can if they’re willing to put the time in to do it, you can take what you have and bring it up.

I think that’s a big misconception. I also think there’s another one that it’s really I think mostly it’s so subtle. It’s part of our birthright. I think it happens. I don’t think we would’ve evolved without it. I think we would’ve died in our [00:28:00] caveman days if we didn’t have this, survival skills.

It’s really tied to our survival in our evolution as humans. And it’s subtle. It’s like that little voice in your head that’s don’t forget, you don’t forget your keys or take the back roads today. ’cause the highway’s all jammed up. It’s like the phone rings and it’s it’s my mother.

How can you tell it’s your mother from the phone ringing? Like you just, and that it’s subtle and it’s happening all day long. And I think people think it’s like. The angel comes in and blows this huge trumpet in your ear, and then the psychic like has a fit and falls down on the floor and foams with the mouth, which really actually hardly ever happens to me anyway.

So I think, we need to see it as something that’s interwoven into our daily experience. I used to say when I write a book about psychic skills, I’m gonna call it pay attention. Because I think that’s, yeah, I think that’s really, it’s actually called awakening your psychic abilities.

But I think paying attention is a really big part of it, and that’s why [00:29:00] I encourage anyone who’s interested in this to start a psychic journal. Get a journal, write psychic journal on the top of it, and just start writing down all your dreams. Write down all of your, if you pull cards, write ’em down.

Every time you meet somebody and you have a first impression, write it down. ’cause first impressions are very psychic. When you have that aha moment, every time you look at the clock and 1111, or signs and omens and synchronicities in, in your life, because these things just like dreams, they’re very ephemeral.

And we could have a psychic impression that blows your mind. And if you don’t write it down a couple days later, you’re gonna forget about it. And if you write it down. You can have the experience on a Monday, and by the time it happens on Wednesday, if you don’t write it down, you forgot you had it.

And if you write it down, you can claim psychic brownie points for yourself and be like, I knew that was gonna happen. And I think you’ll, you’ll be shocked at how psychic you already are if you start doing that.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Yeah. That’s [00:30:00] a great reinforcement technique

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: synchronicities and signs and. What they would call coincidences. Then people say, oh yeah, that’s happened to me. I’ve had that happen. It’s but I didn’t know it was that.

lisacampion: Yes.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: we’re starting The beginning phases of that recognition of that remembering You just need to start paying attention. to your point, recognizing reclassifying, I almost think,

lisacampion: Yes. Agreed.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: are, instead

of just saying. Oh, but that’s a fluke or that’s

lisacampion: Or that old thing,

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: or I’m reading into it.

lisacampion: Just common sense people with.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: a chance thing and it means nothing.

lisacampion: People with clear cognizance, really often the knowing sense often fall into the trap of thinking. It’s just common sense. That’s not psychic, that’s just, everybody knows that, that’s just common sense. And I’m like, but really? Do they, like it oftentimes it’s not. It’s really is something deeper.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Yes. an easy way to protect [00:31:00] ourselves. It’s a way to explain away what we don’t know how to understand, and it makes us feel a little bit more comfortable if it’s just a fluke, if it didn’t mean anything. but I find it a little bit more empowering to say, oh, now I know I’m on the right track. That’s how I feel whenever I get a. That experience, that reinforcement is coming.

lisacampion: Yeah, I think it’s a really common a common experience that you’ll have a, the inner knowing, the psychic kid, the intuitive hit, the inner aha moment, and then. Then something will show up in the world to reinforce that. And that’s where signs and omen synchronicities come into play.

I feel like there are guideposts, they’re meant to confirm our inner knowing ’cause we need confirmation in the world. That’s just the way humans are. I think that’s why Oracle Cards work really good. I think that’s why divination tools like. [00:32:00] Pendulums or any kind of dowsing muscle testing can help us reinforce that sort of quiet, the inner doubter that we have, the inner skeptic that we have, that, dismisses.

So I, it’s a magical. I think we get into sort of a magical flow. It’s really beautiful and exciting. When you open up to this idea, you open up to maybe you are psychic, you start doing all the these, you start your journey. People always say, I’m on a spiritual journey. You start your spiritual journey and and then we go into this magical flow where we have that inner knowing and then the, we get confirmation by what’s occurring in the world around us.

So signs omens is so beautiful. Healing for people, it’s like proof that there’s more to our world than meets the eye, than we, than our logical mind will tell us. And I think we need that. I think we need that proof.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: a hundred percent.

lisacampion: Yeah,

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Yes,

It makes us not feel so alone. It makes us feel like [00:33:00] empowered. It makes us

feel connected, all of those

lisacampion: yeah.

like

the universe is, has your back.

and you’re in this unfolding process of your own development. That’s so beautiful.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: So what would you say are three ways for people who want to start on this journey? Keeping the psychic journal great.

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Do

you have

lisacampion: I think.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: key tips for people?

lisacampion: Sure. I think Oracle cards are really great. Angel. Get a deck of angel cards, Oracle cards, any tarot cards because your guides, your spirit guides will talk to you through those sort of like a translation tool or like a bridge. I think that’s a really fun and beautiful thing to start with.

And I also feel like. Cultivating more quiet in our lives because we live in a very busy, noisy world at the moment. And those intuitive moments happen in those [00:34:00] liminal states. They happen in those moments of quiet. They happen when our brain naturally downshifts into the alpha brainwave. So here’s a really beautiful activity.

Get out your psychic journal. Write a question you want an answer to, or you can even write, what do I need to know right now? And then go do an activity that puts your brainwave into the alpha state. Meditate, take a shower, wash the dishes, walk the dog. But you have to do it quiet. No podcast in your ear or book on tape or radio or phone call.

Like we have to have quiet. And when our hands are engaged in repetitive tasks, our mind shifts into alpha to stare out the window and watch the grass grow, that sort of slightly trancey day, daydreamy state, and just wait for what arises. If you have a knowing or a sensing or feeling, or if you have an aha moment, then write it in your journal.

People, psychics, get the best hits in the shower, or the bathtub. The bathtub. [00:35:00] Oracle, I call it,

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: I agree so much. I need a,

board in there

lisacampion: Yeah.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: you waterproof marker or something,

lisacampion: That’s right.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: I put this in

my book, the

second the water turns off and my foot

crosses that threshold, it’s gone.

only happens

when the water is

flowing.

lisacampion: yeah.

there, yeah. That’s so common for so many people. Get their best psychic kids in the shower, and I just think is, we’re in that alpha brainwave state, so

cultivate those moments, ’cause if you don’t ever have them, you’re gonna, you’re gonna miss it all.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Yep. Very good advice. people who want to connect with you, where can they find

you?

lisacampion: You can find me at my website, lisa campion.com.

lisacampion: Stop by and visit. Leave me a message. I have, all the regular socials. I have a YouTube channel, and I have a podcast called The Miracle of Healing that you’ve been on. That was beautiful having you there.

But I think the place to go is the, is my website, lisa campion.com.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: [00:36:00] Excellent. I will put all of the links in the show notes, thank you very much for being here today, Lisa. I really appreciate you sharing your journey as well as what you’re doing out in the world that is so important for everyone on their spiritual path. So thank you again.

lisacampion: Gosh. Thanks for having me, Megan. It was so delightful.

Megan Mary – MeganMary-1: Thanks.

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